I Just Bought a Patcher. Can Anyone Identify it?

[JJN]

The bobbin measures 0.615" diameter, 0.255" wide with a 0.110" hole. Any idea where to find more?

The needle has a 2mm shank and measures 1.796" or 45.6mm in length. There is no scarf, just a long groove on one side and a short groove around the eyelet on the other side. I think this may be a system 81 needle but have not been able to confirm that. Can anyone verify this and provide a source?

[Handstitched]

JJN, that is just simply beautiful   

JazzBass , I have a patcher, its a  100 y old Singer table top  , ( unrestored with worn paint and all )   not as ornate as the Patent Elastic, but still works fine. It can do stitches that other machines can't, thanks to the 360 degree foot. And parts are still available. 

HS 

[shoepatcher]

JNN,

These old shoe patchers are designed in the old style of the 1880's.  Great machines.  Bradbury, Politype, Claes & Fetje,  Dandy were all designed in this style.  The cheap Chinese one is the only one made in this style today.  Even Claes' design has changed.  The needles it used had no scarf on them.  It was designed later.    Hooks are almost non existent.  However, I found a bobbin that will work in the hook. 

It measures:   dia.  0.604", height  0.206" , hole opening 0.161"   Cost   $1.25ea.   

Did you get my email on the manual for the clicker?     Call Diamond Needle or New England Needle to get the specs on the #81 needle.

glenn

Edited March 13, 2019 by shoepatcher
forgot something

[JJN]

@shoepatcher, Glenn, No I did not get your email about the clicker. where did you send it? I will send you a LW message with my contact info. Thanks!

John

 

[JJN]

I used an image from a German language Claes manual for the patent elastic to see what the original bobbin winder should look like. I found the one shown in the photo below in the Netherlands on Ebay and bought it. I think it is the correct one. I am looking forward to getting it and adding it to the machine. It was listed as an antique Watchmakers Lathe which is totally incorrect. I have owned many watchmakers lathes and this is not one.

 

Edited March 13, 2019 by JJN
added info

[tonysafran]

Hello all!

Maybe following information could be helpful for someone. I've bought the same machine as JJN and sent a letter to Claes on their website where I asked about needles and shuttles. That's they answered me:

Hello,

I have to say sorry but for this machine we do not have any original parts in stock.

In the past when other customers with the same machine needed spare parts I always told them the following.

Spare parts from our current machine can also be used with restrictions. Especially with the needles and shuttles you want, there is a high probability that it will work with these parts.

regarding the shuttle:

It is possible that a new shuttle does not fit into the machine straight away, because of the modern manufacturing processes, much narrower tolerances are possible than 150 years ago. Then some material has to be ground off on the circumference of the shuttle or the hole in the machine has to be drilled out. This is mostly only a few 1/10 mm.

regarding the needles:

I know from previous campaigns that the needles for your machine have to be a little longer, even though they have the same needle system as the needles that we are currently using. That means that something has to be done to make it work, like NOT pushing the needles into the needle bar as far as they will go.

In both cases, however, you must first determine which subclass your machine has. The easiest way to do this is to determine the diameter of a bobbin and compare it with the attached PDF.

Shuttle for subclass 10 costs 155,29€/pc

Shuttle for subclass 20 costs 68,55€/pc

Shuttle for subclass 30 costs 177,86€/pc

Needles always cost 0,62€/pc. But these are only available in packs with 10 needles.

Then there are the shipping costs to Latvia and if you don't have a sales tax identification number (in Lettland "Pievienotas vertibas nodoklis") we have to charge 19% sales tax.

best regards

Sven Schallenberg

production manager

CL Maschinenbau GmBH

I'm from Latvia by the way)

[shoepatcher]

JJN,

You get your patent elastic up and running?

glenn

[JJN]

On 12/4/2021 at 8:05 AM, shoepatcher said:

JJN,

You get your patent elastic up and running?

glenn

Glenn,

I did. it cleaned up real nice. There is not much wear that I can see. I am not using it though, kind of a display item in my office. I picked up two other patchers since. An Adler 30--15 and a Singer 29k72. I want to get the Singer 29k72 restored and working in my shop.

John

[shoepatcher]

nice

[laleyendabizzness]

 I've been wanting that same machine or pretty close to it,