Members RemingtonSteel Posted November 27, 2019 Members Report Posted November 27, 2019 I have my new (to me) Ferdco Pro 2000, so I thought I would start a new thread to help compile as much information as I can on the machine. As it is a 19 year old machine which was mostly sitting around without being used for the last 8 years or so, I think it prudent to thoroughly clean and re-lubricated as much of the machine as I can without taking it apart. I will post some picture when I get around to it, but in the meantime, I do have some questions. The Ferdco manual says to use hydraulic fluid with an additive (can't remember off the top of my head) mixed in, as the lubricating oil. It appears that most 441 clone manufacturers suggest lily white oil. I would assume that it is safe to use lily white oil, but thought I would ask. Any suggestions on what should absolutely be done before I put the machine into service? From another post just after I purchased the unit: On 11/24/2019 at 11:35 AM, JJN said: One more thing. I bought a full set of of feet, left, right, double toe, and blanket with both smooth and toothed feed dogs. I also bought 3 different needle/throat plates. I had to make some adjustments because the new style feet are taller than the Ferdco feet. @JJN, Where did you get that attachments, and what adjustments did you need to make to get them to work on the Pro 2000? I assume that I can buy any 441 clone bobbins without issue, as I would imagine that they would at least be interchangeable. Quote
JJN Posted November 27, 2019 Report Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Here is a post I made recently on another thread with the same question. I bought 44152 & 44155 smooth and toothed throat plates ($29 each), 44174 flat throat plate, 44162G & 44178 smooth and toothed feed dogs ($50 each), and the left, right double & center buckle feet 44180 thru 44183. I also bought a genuine Juki blanket foot set from JM Foley with some other thread tension parts I needed. On 11/4/2019 at 2:26 PM, JJN said: Beiler's Manufacturing & Supply is an Amish owned company in Pennsylvania. Because of their faith, they do not have a website or online ordering. Order by telephone with credit card or mail order. I bought a set of narrow left, right and double toe feet from them. Very nice quality. I also bought the flat throat plate and several other plates and feed dogs. I don't have any experience with Typical but I think they would fit. Item A-22-F is the throat plate that shoepatcher referred to. Item C D E & F are the narrow feet I bought. Edited November 27, 2019 by JJN added stuff Quote Ferdco Juki Pro-2000, Juki DNU-1541S, LS-1341, LU-563, DLN-9010A-SH, MO-6714S, Consew 206RB, 206RB-1, Chandler/Bernina 217 6mm w/Cam Reader, Brother LT2-B842-5
Members RemingtonSteel Posted November 27, 2019 Author Members Report Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) JJN, Great info thanks! Just ordered their catalog. Still would like to know what adjustment did you need to make to get the new feet to work with the Pro 2000? Edited November 27, 2019 by RemingtonSteel Quote
JJN Posted November 27, 2019 Report Posted November 27, 2019 If I remember correctly, I just had to raise the presser foot bar a little and then balance the lift between the inner and outer feet. Do not touch the needle bar, no change there. I'll have to take a look at it again to give you the detailed instructions. Quote Ferdco Juki Pro-2000, Juki DNU-1541S, LS-1341, LU-563, DLN-9010A-SH, MO-6714S, Consew 206RB, 206RB-1, Chandler/Bernina 217 6mm w/Cam Reader, Brother LT2-B842-5
Members dikman Posted November 27, 2019 Members Report Posted November 27, 2019 RS, I researched oil some time ago and the MSDS indicates that Lilly White oil is basically hydraulic oil, ISO-22. So you could use either Lilly White or buy hydraulic oil, whichever is either cheaper or more convenient. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
JJN Posted November 27, 2019 Report Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) RS, here is the Juki 441 engineers manual. It has detailed instructions with diagrams for all the adjustments. These should apply to your Ferdco just fine. Look at page 10. Juki 441 Engineers Manual.pdf Edited November 27, 2019 by JJN Quote Ferdco Juki Pro-2000, Juki DNU-1541S, LS-1341, LU-563, DLN-9010A-SH, MO-6714S, Consew 206RB, 206RB-1, Chandler/Bernina 217 6mm w/Cam Reader, Brother LT2-B842-5
Members RemingtonSteel Posted November 27, 2019 Author Members Report Posted November 27, 2019 53 minutes ago, dikman said: RS, I researched oil some time ago and the MSDS indicates that Lilly White oil is basically hydraulic oil, ISO-22. So you could use either Lilly White or buy hydraulic oil, whichever is either cheaper or more convenient. Thanks, I thought it should not be an issue, but it never hurts to ask. I think I will stick to the Lily White that I purchased, as I like the idea of it being clear with less staining properties. 16 minutes ago, JJN said: RS, here is the Juki 441 engineers manual. It has detailed instructions with diagrams for all the adjustments. These should apply to your Ferdco just fine. Look at page 10. Juki 441 Engineers Manual.pdf Thank for the adjustment info and for the Juki 441 manual. It will make a nice supplement to the Pro 2000 Operations and Parts manual that came with the machine. Quote
Members RemingtonSteel Posted November 30, 2019 Author Members Report Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) I spent several hours today cleaning up the table and machine. Then thoroughly lubricated the machine with Lily White oil. Here are some photos of the machine: After cleaning all of the dust and dirt off, the machine, it looks brand new. The table would look new as well, if the edging was not all cracked and deteriorating, but that can be replaced. What I did find wrong: The roller edge guide is frozen in the slide block, but I have that soaking in penetrating oil as I type. The bobbin winder does not work, but upon removing it from the machine, I found the broken friction O-ring sitting in the machine (already ordered 2 replacements). The big question now is, will it sew? Edited November 30, 2019 by RemingtonSteel Quote
Members RemingtonSteel Posted November 30, 2019 Author Members Report Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) So the machine came with one needle in the unit but I don't know what size it is (22, 23, 24, 25), and came with 5 spools of DABOND polyester, 3 Pheasant Beige ( #207, #277, #346) and 2 Black (#207, #277). So I loaded up some beige 277 on top and 207 on the bobbin. Watched a video on how to thread both correctly, and played around withe a few stitch runs to get the the tension adjusted. Then I sewed two pieces of 7/8 oz together and here is the result: Front Back Don't judge me too harshly on the straightness of the stitch or stitch placement, as this was my first attempt at sewing leather on this machine. I just wanted to show the what the machine is stitching upon setting it up in my work-space. The stitch is approx 6 spi. The only thing I do not like at this time (besides the clutch motor) is that it has a closed center toe, which makes it hard to see needle placement in the leather. I think the needle size is way too large for this piece as the holes on the top appear to be excessive. All in all though the machine appears to stitch without much issue at this time, and I am very pleased with the purchase. Edited November 30, 2019 by RemingtonSteel Quote
JJN Posted November 30, 2019 Report Posted November 30, 2019 RS, I agree, that machine looks like new. The machine is stitching great considering you haven't had to adjust anything. I think you are right, the needle is too large. The foot pressure may be a bit too much. Try backing it off a little and see if it still holds the leather down as the needle rises. That may help reduce the marking of the leather. You have a super nice leather sewing machine now! Quote Ferdco Juki Pro-2000, Juki DNU-1541S, LS-1341, LU-563, DLN-9010A-SH, MO-6714S, Consew 206RB, 206RB-1, Chandler/Bernina 217 6mm w/Cam Reader, Brother LT2-B842-5
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