Binding with my Adler 69 72E

[toxo]

  On 10/17/2020 at 2:33 PM, shoepatcher said:

let me know if I can help in the future.

glenn

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Thanks Glenn. Appreciate it.

Everything arrived this morning from KHsew. Took awhile but if it all works as well as the packing I'll be pleased.

Just need the tape turny thing now. Do I have to buy one for a particular tape width or are there ones that will cater for various widths? And does the tape come with a finished edge or a raw edge and does the turny thing cater for that? What should I be looking for?

[toxo]

Anyone?

I've done some looking but there seems to be a lack of info on these tape turny things.For starters I'd like to make some raincoats for my five dogs but  I don't wanna be buying stuff that's gonna sit in a drawer.

[Constabulary]

Edge binders come  in a looooooooooooot of variants, most common are raw edge binders which fold the tape just once in the center. Then you have clean top and clean bottom binders which folds the tape twice (1x center + 1x top or bottom) and you have binders that fold the 1x center + 1x bottom + 1x bottom. So lots of variants. There may be more but thats what is most common.

Edge binders of any type are usually set for using just 1 type of tape. Make sure the binder can handle the thickness of the tape you want to use and have a wide enough "mouth opening" so that is can handle the material thickness you want to bind.

College Sewing has a wide range of binders in different qualities. I usually take the economy binders

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/folders-attachments/economy-golden-eagle-folders/economy-golden-eagle-binders.html

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/folders-attachments/economy-golden-eagle-folders/economy-golden-eagle-binders/economy-shell-binder.html

The numbers on the shell binders like 18 x 6 x 1.5 mean:   18mm tape width x 6mm mouth width x 1.5mm max. tape thickness

You may find them cheaper on Ebay but CS offers a good range of binders and gives you a good overview of whats available and they for sure have a better customer support than Ebay sellers from China

Hope this helps.

 

EDIT:

A tape rack may be useful too but that depends on your workflow and output if you need one or not.

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/accessories/chair-stands-table-tops/tape-racks

I always wanted to test this one but it will not fit your Adler 69 (so rather a note to my self )

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/tr212w-tape-rack-with-tension-bracket.html

Edited November 3, 2020 by Constabulary

[toxo]

Thanks Folker but what I need to know is what type of tape/binder is used for what application? Some raincoats for my dogs using ripstop nylon are gonna need a different setup than binding leather surely? And binding tape with a raw edge (that you cut yourself) would surely need a double fold right?

[Constabulary]

Yes, if you want to cut the tape your self from fabric you need a binder that folds center + top + bottom. Clean finish so to say. But I don´t think there are shell binder for the 69 that fold tape to a clean finish. You may tinker something. I did that with binders for my 108w too. I took a binder for a flat bed machine and modified a bracket so I can use all kind of binders / folders for flat bed machines now.

Or you cut and iron your tape (like bias tape) then you can use plain shell binder too. I have some tape makers / belt loop folder like these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-4-60Pcs-Fabric-Bias-Binding-Tape-Maker-Kit-Binder-Tool-For-Sewing-Quilting/274504755967

[toxo]

  On 11/3/2020 at 1:02 PM, Constabulary said:

Yes, if you want to cut the tape your self from fabric you need a binder that folds center + top + bottom. Clean finish so to say. But I don´t think there are shell binder for the 69 that fold tape to a clean finish. You may tinker something. I did that with binders for my 108w too. I took a binder for a flat bed machine and modified a bracket so I can use all kind of binders / folders for flat bed machines now.

Or you cut and iron your tape (like bias tape) then you can use plain shell binder too. I have some tape makers / belt loop folder like these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-4-60Pcs-Fabric-Bias-Binding-Tape-Maker-Kit-Binder-Tool-For-Sewing-Quilting/274504755967

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Thanks again Folker. I guess I'll have to try to envisage what I might want to bind in the future and then what size tape and how many folds etc etc .

I'm really surprised that I can't find a comprehensive article/video explaining what does what and why.

[toxo]

Two tape turney things have arrived at last and I'm no closer to doing any binding  or understanding what's not right. Please look at these pics and tell me what bit is at fault. I can't get the business end any closer to the needle and any ttempt to bind something sees the stich line a few mm from where I think it should be. Everything is new and as I say I have two of these and they're both the same so either I'm missing something or something's wrong.

[Uwe]

I suspect that this kind of tape folder isn’t really intended to be used with your synchronized binder plate, so the mounting holes may not be in a suitable position.

You may have to modify the tape folder mounting bracket to increase the adjustment range. Dremel/grind out the mounting holes to make them slots, or something like that.

The key view is the one you don’t show us: the backside of the tape folder to show us what the mounting bracket looks like.

You may have to fabricate your own mounting bracket or extension and glue/screw/solder it to the tape folder.

 

[Constabulary]

the binder attachment in best case has to sit in the angled cutout in the needle plate in front of the presser foot (w/o touching it) so you probably have to grind down the foot a bit. Usually for the 69 so called shell binder are used but you may have differences among them as well so its not safe that they fit 100% into your setup. But I`m using the same binder type as you (different machine). But as Uwe said some it may require some modifications but thats not too unusual. On my bracket the binder is attached with 2 screws and and I can alter the angle.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Constabulary

[toxo]

Thanks guys. I just wanted confirmation before I set about the bloody thing. Obviously I bought it on the understanding that it would fit the 69 and they both have the rectangular box with the long slot that Uwe was looking for. There isn't much room to extend the slot without breaking through the end so I might have to make up something. Thanks again guys. 

Bit by bit I'm learning about this binding lark so as well as getting frustrated, I'm still having fun.