Dont know Cheryl, guess the days of trusting everyone are gone, no matter how much you want em stay. What amazes me is that Ive built seats for around 500 people, private citizens, small shops, bigger shops. But these guys are the most successfull of anyone Ive built for, wheres the professionalism, and how does a company get to that size and level with business practices like that? Kicker is theyre whole schtik is how they "build bikes for the working man" they put on this whole grass roots image, but its all a crock, a bunch of rip off artists, idiots if you ask me, I was building seats for them for $400 and they sell em for $800-900???? Someone say moron?