Go back and look through your posts! All I have read is problems with them! This is why I posted. As I stated This is my opionion! I have worked all day in my shop until now! I do it for a living! I do repairs and warrenty work for some of the biggest and well known stores in the western states, and no I do not work for a competator! Maybe some of you get by fine with the big Chinese Machines! I don't. What a bunch of haters! I posted this as an opionion! I do stand behind my opinions! I have forgot more about Big machines than most will ever know! Ban me, Take off my post! I really do not care! I make a living with Leather and Machines Ask Connie Nagel, ask Vernon Weaver, ask the Jean Blancs, Ask Bob Booth! Hell ask jack Butcher! I am sure they all have opionions. If this is that clicky of a site. I am sorry I ever got involved with it! I have alot of old(50s&60s) patters That I was willing to share as well as Original H.H. Heiser patterns that came from Fred Carlson! Any of you out there that know anything about H.H.H. Know he was one of the last saddle makers on the payrole in Denver before they shut down! Fotget that! I read things like The Landis 3 is a copy of the Campbell! Yeah right! The randell is the same machine except for a few screws! Not the #3! Maybe you guys can go back to your leather guilds and discuss this post. I really don't care. Keep on thinking what you want. I was reffered here by on of the top young saddle makers in the country, but boy was he wrong! I will close now as I have better things to with my time, Saddle Work. Thanks for letting me waste you space! Tom D. Walahoski