CFM chuck123wapati Posted September 12, 2022 CFM Report Posted September 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said: What's the purpose of a thumb ring, Chuck? Yeah, I knew that about the traditional longbows. I have a book about the history of the longbow, and it covers what they found on the Mary Rose in depth. Actor Robert Hardy was the author - I didn't know up until then that he was an avid archer and historian! I just knew him as Siegfried on All Creatures Great and Small. https://www.amazon.ca/Longbow-Military-History-Robert-Hardy/dp/0750943912 Edit: VERY glad I bought the book when it first came out, and only cost $20!! Wow! My bow looks like a broomstick type medieval longbow, but it's actually laminated wood, and has an arrow rest. another way to pull the string, it was done by hooking the string under the arrow with your thumb only then kind of holding your thumb tip with your first finger. Kind of like shooting a marble if you've ever done that. The Romans for one used that method and used a ring to hold the pressure off of the skin hence a thumb ring. i would love to own a real English yew longbow. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted September 12, 2022 CFM Report Posted September 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said: What's the purpose of a thumb ring, Chuck? Yeah, I knew that about the traditional longbows. I have a book about the history of the longbow, and it covers what they found on the Mary Rose in depth. Actor Robert Hardy was the author - I didn't know up until then that he was an avid archer and historian! I just knew him as Siegfried on All Creatures Great and Small. https://www.amazon.ca/Longbow-Military-History-Robert-Hardy/dp/0750943912 Edit: VERY glad I bought the book when it first came out, and only cost $20!! Wow! My bow looks like a broomstick type medieval longbow, but it's actually laminated wood, and has an arrow rest. It was also used in eastern/ asian cultures https://archeryhistorian.com/archery-thumb-rings/ Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Sheilajeanne Posted September 12, 2022 Members Report Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) Cool! And very pretty! Have yet to meet an archer that uses one, though I have seen archers use a caliper release. Edited September 12, 2022 by Sheilajeanne Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted September 12, 2022 Author Contributing Member Report Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, chuck123wapati said: lol an american made one does i have one it was made by PSE 50# thats crazy. without an arrow rest by shifting your grip you can increase range or penetration. iirc, if I move my hand down by about 1 inch I can get about 100yards extra distance on clout, without having to lean backwards. If I move my hand up about 1 inch it increases my bow power and I can penetrate thicker plate steel at 50 yards Also, by having the arrow rest on your hand, having it about 1/4 to 3/8 inch out from the stave the hens will get past easier and reduce the 'archer's paradox' I was taught all this by, not one, not two, not three, but four Long Bow Archery World Champions I met 'Siegfried' briefly, once, at the Mary Rose Museum. I saw him and said hello to him and guess what he said ? He said 'Hello', then he rushed on. Just months later he was dead. I have his books as well. Great reads Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
CFM chuck123wapati Posted September 12, 2022 CFM Report Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, fredk said: thats crazy. without an arrow rest by shifting your grip you can increase range or penetration. iirc, if I move my hand down by about 1 inch I can get about 100yards extra distance on clout, without having to lean backwards. If I move my hand up about 1 inch it increases my bow power and I can penetrate thicker plate steel at 50 yards Also, by having the arrow rest on your hand, having it about 1/4 to 3/8 inch out from the stave the hens will get past easier and reduce the 'archer's paradox' I was taught all this by, not one, not two, not three, but four Long Bow Archery World Champions I met 'Siegfried' briefly, once, at the Mary Rose Museum. I saw him and said hello to him and guess what he said ? He said 'Hello', then he rushed on. Just months later he was dead. I have his books as well. Great reads Interesting indeed, We lose so more than we gain sometimes when we look for a better (mousetrap) solution to do what our ancients did. I have heard something similar could be done with the three finger under method i tried it for awhile but by the time i learned it i couldn't get to the point of doing it naturally while hunting. All my archery skills were self taught back when archery wasn't a thing in my area. Most landowners at the time wouldn't let me hunt with a bow because they didn't think it would kill a deer lol. I was one of a handful of people in the county that shot or hunted with a bow, due to that i had to learn to make my arrows and strings. Would have loved to talk to a pro. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted September 12, 2022 CFM Report Posted September 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said: Cool! And very pretty! Have yet to meet an archer that uses one, though I have seen archers use a caliper release. i have a trigger too for my compound bows. they are so short limbed nowadays using your fingers is impossible so using one is a must. they clip onto a string loop installed on the string above and below the knocking point. That and the 80% let off and sights and arrow rests allows for very accurate shooting of heavier weight bows. even i could robin hood an arrow almost every time i shot a round, 10 bucks down the drain lol. I still love the old recurve the best. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Doc Reaper Posted September 12, 2022 Report Posted September 12, 2022 I’m here in North Carolina and when you enter an archery shop all they have available aRe either the recurve bows or the compound bow. It’s been ages since I’ve seen any type of long bow. The picture that sheilajeanne presented kinda resembles the glove I used 50 years ago. The last bow I had required sights and a trigger that wrapped around the wrist. And I would never use my fat Barney Rubble fingers to stitch a glove, how would ya sew inside the fingers Quote Doc Reaper
Members Sheilajeanne Posted September 12, 2022 Members Report Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) Well, England being where the longbow was invented, it doesn't surprise me there are more longbow archers there than anywhere else. And Fred, you definitely have knowledge about archery that is not taught anywhere I've been shooting on this side of the pond! Very interesting! I'm the only archer I know that has never used a bow sight and shoots bare bow (except for the arrow rest). Everyone else seems to have every imaginable gizmo attached to their bow, from kisser buttons to bow stabilizers! I just came across this picture on FB. Who are the men in uniform holding longbows, as they stand vigil over the Queen's casket in St. Giles Cathedral? I figured you'd probably know. Edited September 12, 2022 by Sheilajeanne Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted September 13, 2022 Author Contributing Member Report Posted September 13, 2022 A. the Welsh invented the Long Bow as we know it now. The long bow goes back into Roman history. The Welsh bow was made of Elm. They drew it only to the tip of their nose. Edward 1st fought the Welsh in the late part of the 1200s. He defeated them. He was so impressed by their archers that he incorporated Welsh Long Bow archers into his army. Gradually the English improved the Long Bow. First by making it of Yew and then, about the same time, drawing it to the back of the ear. That extra 5 inches or so adds about 25lbs to the draw weight. The infamous William Wallace, of 'Braveheart' film, was actually a Captain of Archers in Edward 1st's army in roughly 1292 - 1302. Because Edward 1st defeated the Welsh and killed their clan princes he gave them his new-born son as the first 'Prince of Wales'. The man in the centre of that picture is King Charles III, who until just a few days ago was 'Prince of Wales'. Now his eldest son Prince William has been gifted the title. 2. The four men at the corners of the catafalque, and many others positioned out of sight, are the Kings Royal Body Guard for Scotland, the Royal Company of Archers. They do practice archery but their body guard duties are just ceremonial now. Policemen/women and soldiers with big noisy loud guns do the real protecting now. But not as many as the POTUS needs. King Charles will have at most 3 body guards near him. The late Queen Elizabeth only wanted one PPO Both the late Queen Elizabeth and King Charles III are experts with the long bow. The late Queen once took part, actually several times, in an old traditional archery competition where you have to shoot at a small bird on top of a Church's spire weather vane. She always hit her mark And before anyone says it; the famous English two-finger salute is not to show that the archer still has his fingers for drawing a bow. All that is a myth I knocked up this bracer the other evening. Its for #1 dottir to test. Its just some thinnish 'dragon skin' embossed leather on the outside, some felt padding making that raised portion and some upholstery grade chrome tan on the inside. Just all glued together. With lacing hooks riveted on. Elastic cord to lace criss-cross between the hooks. I posted it to her yesterday. She'll test it out and let me know what has to change for the next ones Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
Members Sheilajeanne Posted September 13, 2022 Members Report Posted September 13, 2022 Guess it's way past time for me to dig out Hardy's book and re-read it! Wow, never knew that about the Queen! I certainly doubt I could do that, even when I was at my best. Quote
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