Punches and stitching wheels

[YinTx]

1 hour ago, Klara said:

If I remember correctly, Stohlman rolls the wheel in the groove he cuts. Which sounds doable to me. The reason I didn't buy a wheel when I started was that the sales lady warned me that the markings are not slanted, unlike a pricking iron. But now I'm getting curious...

My Vergez Blanchard wheels leave slanted marks... a pouncing wheel does not tho.

[Tugadude]

2 hours ago, Klara said:

If I remember correctly, Stohlman rolls the wheel in the groove he cuts. Which sounds doable to me. The reason I didn't buy a wheel when I started was that the sales lady warned me that the markings are not slanted, unlike a pricking iron. But now I'm getting curious...

Yes, but a stitching groove is objectionable to some.  Perhaps many.  It is said by some to be an "American" thing mainly.  And all the arguments ensue about how recessing the thread makes the item more durable.  Then the other side says, maybe, but you are also weakening the leather by removing the upper layer and if you groove too deeply it could be an issue.  And then they point to 100 year old European saddles with thread sitting up proudly with no issues whatsoever, especially for the age.  

My main issue with a stitching groove is it causes my stitching to lose most of its slant, and slanting stitching appeals to me and my idea of aesthetic.  

 

[Tugadude]

43 minutes ago, YinTx said:

My Vergez Blanchard wheels leave slanted marks... a pouncing wheel does not tho.

I know that you know this, but for beginners here.  A pricking wheel has slanted tines whereas the basic overstitching wheel has points.  The pricking wheel is far superior in that it gives you the angle to follow and makes it easier to keep all of the holes at the same angle.  I even found an overgroover with two wheels, to mark parallel lines!  How cool is that?

[chuck123wapati]

11 minutes ago, Tugadude said:

Yes, but a stitching groove is objectionable to some.  Perhaps many.  It is said by some to be an "American" thing mainly.  And all the arguments ensue about how recessing the thread makes the item more durable.  Then the other side says, maybe, but you are also weakening the leather by removing the upper layer and if you groove too deeply it could be an issue.  And then they point to 100 year old European saddles with thread sitting up proudly with no issues whatsoever, especially for the age.  

My main issue with a stitching groove is it causes my stitching to lose most of its slant, and slanting stitching appeals to me and my idea of aesthetic.  

 

I'll add if you pull your stitches tight and pound them they will set down into the leather without a groove and wont wear.

I do any and all of the above whenever I feel its appropriate to what I want my work to look like. I even use different stitching  sometimes lol. Its a big wonderful world folks live to the fullest and don't be boxed in by artificial norms.

But I don't use a stitching wheel with a set of chisels its redundant so there is no need to worry if the numbers match.

[Klara]

Thanks,  I didn't know wheels that leave slanted marks exist.

But considering the price of the Vergez Blanchard tool (€ 50 for the handle, € 30 for one wheel) the lady was right to not even suggest it. Btw, if you are willing to spend € 284, you'll get an edge guide on your wheel...