Cowboy CB4500 premium w/eps vs Techsew 5100 se w/eps

[DieselTech]

35 minutes ago, kgg said:

 

If your thread range is V138 to V346 then you are into a class 441 machine to handle the V346 thread.

If you are planning on selling / repairing traps or straps in general for other people be very careful, get trained, certified and insured. It isn't just about that you can do the work or what machine can do the job it's the liability should things go south.

kgg

 

Thanks yeah the tow strap would have lots of liability & it's more for myself. Truckers tarps not so much, but not 100%sure on that thou either. 

But you are correct if tow straps are to be repaired I'm sure there is a certification class that will need to be completed. 

I would like also to make some heavy weight canvas tarps/tents. 

I'm all new to the industrial machines, but is the Cobra Class 4, Cowboy CB4500 & the Techsew 5100se in the 441 class range? 

Thanks. I appreciate it. 

[kgg]

7 hours ago, DieselTech said:

I'm all new to the industrial machines, but is the Cobra Class 4, Cowboy CB4500 & the Techsew 5100se in the 441 class range? 

Simple answer is Yes. My simple way of determining the class of machine. If a machine uses the 794 X SIZE of system needles then it is a Class 441 where SIZE is the size of needle that is determined by the size of thread being used. In the class 441 you have the one armed bandits and the machines with 9", 16", 25", 37.5"  cylinder arms.

I class machines basically on what the equivalent Juki or Singer series of machines it best's represents like 29K / 1141 / 1541 / 341 / 441. For someone new to machines trying to figure out which clones have similar capabilities can be a chore.

kgg

 

[Wizcrafts]

12 hours ago, DieselTech said:

Plus what ever machine I buy for now, i would like to be able to sew soft lighter materials, short of maybe changing a few parts & adjustments to switch from light to heavy projects.

@DieselTech,

The narrow feed dog and matching narrow throat plate are aftermarket items that are manufactured by two of our members. I linked to their profiles earlier in this thread. One is in Australia and the other is in the USA. I have the Australian narrow set installed in my cb4500 and haven't had to remove it to sew with #277 thread. I haven't tried using #346 and the larger #26 needle yet. That might be a bit too wide for this feed dog. I'll try it when I go to my shop later today (unless I forget!). The other set is best suited to smaller needles and thread. I have switched over to his set once to hem a pair of jeans. It worked perfectly! However, I also have a Techsew 2700 cylinder arm machine that already does that work, natively.

With a Cowboy cb4500, or Cobra Class 4, or Techsew 5100, and one or two narrow feeder/throat plate sets, one can sew anything from a pair of denim pants, or a wallet interior, up to a 7/8 inch thick holster. Just change the feeder, needle and thread, balance the knots, and sew the project at hand. The flatbed table attachment makes it easier to sew some flat items. I have one but rarely use it.

[DieselTech]

4 hours ago, kgg said:

Simple answer is Yes. My simple way of determining the class of machine. If a machine uses the 794 X SIZE of system needles then it is a Class 441 where SIZE is the size of needle that is determined by the size of thread being used. In the class 441 you have the one armed bandits and the machines with 9", 16", 25", 37.5"  cylinder arms.

I class machines basically on what the equivalent Juki or Singer series of machines it best's represents like 29K / 1141 / 1541 / 341 / 441. For someone new to machines trying to figure out which clones have similar capabilities can be a chore.

kgg

 

Thanks kgg. I got a lot more reading to do. I'll keep doing my research about the different machines. 

[kgg]

1 minute ago, DieselTech said:

I'll keep doing my research about the different machines. 

I forgot to add that there are presently three one armed bandits available, Tippmann Boss, Cowboy Outlaw, Weaver Cub.

kgg

[DieselTech]

1 hour ago, Wizcrafts said:

@DieselTech,

The narrow feed dog and matching narrow throat plate are aftermarket items that are manufactured by two of our members. I linked to their profiles earlier in this thread. One is in Australia and the other is in the USA. I have the Australian narrow set installed in my cb4500 and haven't had to remove it to sew with #277 thread. I haven't tried using #346 and the larger #26 needle yet. That might be a bit too wide for this feed dog. I'll try it when I go to my shop later today (unless I forget!). The other set is best suited to smaller needles and thread. I have switched over to his set once to hem a pair of jeans. It worked perfectly! However, I also have a Techsew 2700 cylinder arm machine that already does that work, natively.

With a Cowboy cb4500, or Cobra Class 4, or Techsew 5100, and one or two narrow feeder/throat plate sets, one can sew anything from a pair of denim pants, or a wallet interior, up to a 7/8 inch thick holster. Just change the feeder, needle and thread, balance the knots, and sew the project at hand. The flatbed table attachment makes it easier to sew some flat items. I have one but rarely use it.

So are the throat plates & narrow feeders & presser feet a universal fit type thing?

 

Or all these parts for only their dedicated machines?

Are these feeder plates, & throat plates & presser feet available to do thin materials for the Cobra Class 4, Cowboy CB4500, & the Techsew 5100se? 

Thanks. I'm sorry for soo many questions & my newbie stupidity when it comes to these types of machines. 

[DieselTech]

9 minutes ago, kgg said:

I forgot to add that there are presently three one armed bandits available, Tippmann Boss, Cowboy Outlaw, Weaver Cub.

kgg

I thought at 1st, that is what I would buy. 

But then got to doing some reading on the different machines & thought a 1 arm bandit is going to get old using. 

I kinda got this buy once / cry once mentality.

Lmao just buy it & get it over with. Right? 

[kgg]

23 minutes ago, DieselTech said:

I thought at 1st, that is what I would buy. 

But then got to doing some reading on the different machines & thought a 1 arm bandit is going to get old using. 

I kinda got this buy once / cry once mentality.

I almost bought a one armed bandit and came to the same conclusion before getting a Class 441.

Now it just comes down to which machine best meets your budget, needs and who you feel will give you the best after sales service. As far as accessories / attachments that is going to depend on what your needs are. When it comes to the needle positioning some people like it and others not so much. My machine did come with the needle positioning along with a 9 coil brushless motor. I never installed the needle positioning and the jury is still out as whether I keep the brushless motor on the machine.

kgg