Ordered a Cobra Class 26 : Couple questions

[DieselTech]

Guys & gals I finally broke down & ordered me a Cobra class 26 for lighter projects & materials. 

I'm curious what feet this machine uses. I'm looking for a piping feet?

I would also like to know what is the best option for edge binding?

I think the other thing i am looking for is called a hemming set. 

Any & all help will be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks. 

[DieselTech]

So apparently the cobra class 26 uses Singer 111w155 feet. 

Is this true? Or can anyone verify this?

Thanks. 

[PeterinID]

You can order piping feet directly from Leather machine company. The Facebook groups Tips and Tricks for Cobra Class machines is a great source of information and troubleshooting help. Leather Machine company has good videos available at their website. Search youtube for Al Bane's videos, they are the best I've found.

[DieselTech]

  On 9/12/2024 at 10:40 PM, PeterinID said:

You can order piping feet directly from Leather machine company. The Facebook groups Tips and Tricks for Cobra Class machines is a great source of information and troubleshooting help. Leather Machine company has good videos available at their website. Search youtube for Al Bane's videos, they are the best I've found.

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Yeah I was hoping to find the piping/welting feet a bit cheaper. LMC gets $50/foot. 

If I got no other option, then I'll pay the price for the LMC feet. 

I am really hoping to find a binding attachment for the class 26.

Also like to find a rolled edge hemming plate & foot as well. 

Lmao after buying a class 4 & a class 26 I am trying to cheap out. 

Thanks. Much appreciated.

[kgg]

  On 9/12/2024 at 7:30 PM, DieselTech said:

I would also like to know what is the best option for edge binding?

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You have two basic options:

i) 90 degree binders which are typically pretty expensive per binding tape size probably in the $70 USD range. The main advantage is you can get a tighter turning radius on bends.

ii) Inline binders which are relatively inexpensive per binding tape size probably in the $15 USD range. The main advantage is you can also use them on flatbeds.

Here is older version of what I done on a KOBE LS-1341 which is very similar to your Class 26 and it may give you some ideas. The binder has a swing away base. I use a similar setup on my 441 clone.

kgg

 

[DieselTech]

  On 9/13/2024 at 1:07 AM, kgg said:

You have two basic options:

i) 90 degree binders which are typically pretty expensive per binding tape size probably in the $70 USD range. The main advantage is you can get a tighter turning radius on bends.

ii) Inline binders which are relatively inexpensive per binding tape size probably in the $15 USD range. The main advantage is you can also use them on flatbeds.

Here is older version of what I done on a KOBE LS-1341 which is very similar to your Class 26 and it may give you some ideas. The binder has a swing away base. I use a similar setup on my 441 clone.

kgg

 

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Kgg do you know which binder attachment I need to order & do you know from where I can order it?

Amazon, sewing shop, I don't care as long as it is quality. 

Also if I want a 90° binder or I think some time they are referred to as a synchronized binder? Do you know what binder will work. 

Thanks. I appreciate your help. 

[DieselTech]

Would something like this work? It is a swing away double fold binder. Or do I want a single fold binder? 

Also if this will work, what feet setup do I get? 

I can make a adapter/attachment bracket if needed. 

Thanks.

Edited September 13, 2024 by DieselTech

[kgg]

  On 9/13/2024 at 2:46 AM, DieselTech said:

Would something like this work? It is a swing away double fold binder. Or do I want a single fold binder? 

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  On 9/13/2024 at 1:25 AM, DieselTech said:

Also if I want a 90° binder or I think some time they are referred to as a synchronized binder? Do you know what binder will work. 

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It depends on how close the Class 26 is to a Juki LS-1341. I don't know if the Juki LS-1341 V type kit part number 21434857 would fit and even if it did the cost for the kit is really expensive probably in the range of plus $900 USD without any tape binder attachments. Also it was meant for 90 degree binders and I'm not even sure that attachment is still available for the Juki LS-1341.

The question then becomes do you really need the synchronizing feature plus the additional cost of the 90 degree binders??

I ran a lot of rolls binding tape through my LS-1341 clone and I would have had a hard job justifying the additional cost of the V type kit. I also did NOT change the feed dog / presser feet/ needle plate as recommended by a lot of people. The way I figured it was that when you use a flatbed you don't have to change those parts to do binding so why on a cylinder arm ??? One minute I would be binding the next I would slide the swing away binder out of the way and continue on doing something else. By not making those part changes, in my case, I eliminated unnecessary tinkering with he feed dog / presser feet/ needle plate. Your results may differ. Also just like thread tension you still have to get the back tension on the tape correct, too tight or too slack and the result will look awful.

What are you planning on binding, using raw edge binders or double fold binders, how thick and wide is the binding tape you want to use????

  On 9/13/2024 at 2:46 AM, DieselTech said:

Would something like this work? It is a swing away double fold binder. Or do I want a single fold binder? 

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Yes they will work that is a similar style binder and swing away bracket. But and it is a big but they are meant for flatbed machines and you need to have some type of an adapter to mount them correctly to a cylinder arm. I have not seen any of the aftermarket table tops wooded or metal that will accommodate this type of attachment. So you will need to come up with something. That unit you referenced is made of two parts the swing away bracket and the binder. A single fold binder is also called a raw edge binder as it just folds the tape in half while a double fold binder folds the tape in half and then folds each side again to give a nice finished  edge. The typical sizes available for the inline binders for raw edge or double fold range from 1/2" to 2" once you go above that you are into custom folders and they are expensive. The cost I think for the one you referenced is a little high as you can get them much cheaper off places like Ali Express for a 1/3 of the price. In my experience they do the job just as good as the more expensive ones but may not be as pretty.

 

kgg

 

[DieselTech]

  On 9/13/2024 at 4:00 AM, kgg said:

It depends on how close the Class 26 is to a Juki LS-1341. I don't know if the Juki LS-1341 V type kit part number 21434857 would fit and even if it did the cost for the kit is really expensive probably in the range of plus $900 USD without any tape binder attachments. Also it was meant for 90 degree binders and I'm not even sure that attachment is still available for the Juki LS-1341.

The question then becomes do you really need the synchronizing feature plus the additional cost of the 90 degree binders??

I ran a lot of rolls binding tape through my LS-1341 clone and I would have had a hard job justifying the additional cost of the V type kit. I also did NOT change the feed dog / presser feet/ needle plate as recommended by a lot of people. The way I figured it was that when you use a flatbed you don't have to change those parts to do binding so why on a cylinder arm ??? One minute I would be binding the next I would slide the swing away binder out of the way and continue on doing something else. By not making those part changes, in my case, I eliminated unnecessary tinkering with he feed dog / presser feet/ needle plate. Your results may differ. Also just like thread tension you still have to get the back tension on the tape correct, too tight or too slack and the result will look awful.

What are you planning on binding, using raw edge binders or double fold binders, how thick and wide is the binding tape you want to use????

Yes they will work that is a similar style binder and swing away bracket. But and it is a big but they are meant for flatbed machines and you need to have some type of an adapter to mount them correctly to a cylinder arm. I have not seen any of the aftermarket table tops wooded or metal that will accommodate this type of attachment. So you will need to come up with something. That unit you referenced is made of two parts the swing away bracket and the binder. A single fold binder is also called a raw edge binder as it just folds the tape in half while a double fold binder folds the tape in half and then folds each side again to give a nice finished  edge. The typical sizes available for the inline binders for raw edge or double fold range from 1/2" to 2" once you go above that you are into custom folders and they are expensive. The cost I think for the one you referenced is a little high as you can get them much cheaper off places like Ali Express for a 1/3 of the price. In my experience they do the job just as good as the more expensive ones but may not be as pretty.

 

kgg

 

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Thanks kgg. I was thinking a 1" raw edge binder. I'm hoping to use some thin leather binding tape so to speak. 

Idk but I wanted to use it on edges of totes & such. Both canvas & leather & a mixture of the 2. 

Yeah I looked at the 90° binder set up for my cobra class 4 & I think it was about $700-800 dollars. I said the heck with that. 

I would like to be able to edge binding & do piping with the cobra class 26. 

Sorry for being such a newbie to this machine sewing. 

I'm hoping to learn a few things here. 

[kgg]

  On 9/13/2024 at 4:30 AM, DieselTech said:

Sorry for being such a newbie to this machine sewing. 

I'm hoping to learn a few things here. 

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We all got to start somewhere.

Basic parts of binding:

i) tape binder (folder) ----- inline or 90 degree style in single or double fold for the size of binding tape

ii) binder to machine attachment ----- either bracket or table mounted 

iii) binding tape --- fabric, webbing or leather in various sizes in spools or the more common rolls in typical sizes from 1/4" to 2" widths in cotton, nylon, polyester

iv) binding tape holder ----- vertical or horizontal style

kgg