Skiver Vacuum.

[toxo]

I've had my 801` skiver for a while now and never given it enough work to worry about the vacuum system. Having said that it has been nagging at me in the recesses of my mind and I'm now thinking I might get off my arse and feed it enough work to warrant sorting it out. Trouble is I know nothing about it or vacuum systems in general and I'm hoping some of you guys can help me out.

It's compressor driven and I have no idea how much compressor it needs to work. I have a 50litre one in my little garden shed but it's too noisy. (I have old guys either side of me). So I'm looking for the smallest silent compressor that will do the job and double as an airbrush compressor as well.

Tomorrow I think I have a long enough hose to at least make sure it works. I know I could rig up an ordinary vacuum but it would irk me if I didn't at least try to get it working. Any thoughts peeps?

[DieselTech]

Is the compressor side even needed. I guess I don't understand how that system works. Aren't you still going to need a vacuum? 

To me that looks like some type of air operated gate valve. 

I am interested in what you find out, because I will be buying a 801 type bell skiver next year, along with a 14" leather splitter. 

[andymanak]

Hi @toxo, a quick search came up with Templex vacuum generators operating at 80psi.  These vacuums are inefficient and mainly used in facilities that already run air lines. They draw from the compressed air at a large rate vs how much vacuum is drawn.  You might get away with a small compressor for short bursts of operation.  The drone of the compressor and hiss of the vac generator might cause you to want ear protection anyways.

[kgg]

8 hours ago, toxo said:

I've had my 801` skiver for a while now and never given it enough work to worry about the vacuum system.

Awfully complicated setup with compressor lines / gauges. Why not just hook a domestic or small shop vac to the end of the hose already going to the bottom of the skiver table?

kgg

[toxo]

Thanks peeps. Isn't it great to have peeps to bounce ideas around.

I've had a couple of thoughts (didn't hurt much). Firstly, a compressor system can't have an on/off switch if used with a receiver and secondly, a dedicated vac would be cheaper than a compressor.

So, thoughts on the right vac for the job? I used to have a shop wet/dry from Karcher with a plug socket incorporated so when you started your sander/planer etc it would automatically start the vac. But as always, cost is a factor so it wouldn't kill me to bend down and switch a normal vac on.

Belay that. Just realised the way it's wired up is just more problematic so just a normal vac then. 

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[TomE]

I have a Techsew SK-4 bell skiver with a vacuum cabinet.  There is a retangular cutout in the table underneath the bell knife and a large, sloped metal chute that connects to the cabinet.  The cabinet has a fan mounted on the back that pulls a vacuum.  The vacuum is powerful enough to pull the skived bits out of the knife and deposit them in a rubbish bin in the cabinet.  Most of the noise is the sound of air rushing through the cabinet.  Quieter than the shop vacs I own.  There are some pictures here.

https://www.techsew.com/us/techsew-sk-4-leather-skiving-machine-with-vacuum-suction-device.html

[toxo]

6 minutes ago, TomE said:

I have a Techsew SK-4 bell skiver with a vacuum cabinet.  There is a retangular cutout in the table underneath the bell knife and a large, sloped metal chute that connects to the cabinet.  The cabinet has a fan mounted on the back that pulls a vacuum.  The vacuum is powerful enough to pull the skived bits out of the knife and deposit them in a rubbish bin in the cabinet.  Most of the noise is the sound of air rushing through the cabinet.  Quieter than the shop vacs I own.  There are some pictures here.

https://www.techsew.com/us/techsew-sk-4-leather-skiving-machine-with-vacuum-suction-device.html

Looks like a great setup Tom. They've done an excellent job.

[kgg]

33 minutes ago, toxo said:

So, thoughts on the right vac for the job?

If you have to buy a vacuum I would consider: These would be my choices on this side of the pond.

i) Small Wet/Dry Shop Vacuum 10L at $70 from Canadian Tire ( https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-vkd811sw-5-5-peak-hp-stainless-steel-wet-dry-shop-vacuum-with-hose-and-accessories-30-l-0540252p.html?rq=vaccum+cleaner  )

ii) Compact Lightweight Bagless Corded Canister Vacuum at $87 from Canadian Tire ( https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/bissell-aeroswift-compact-lightweight-bagless-corded-canister-vacuum-cleaner-0438173p.html?rq=vaccum+cleaner  )

Between the two choices the quieter setup would be the canister vacuum.

33 minutes ago, toxo said:

I used to have a shop wet/dry from Karcher with a plug socket incorporated so when you started your sander/planer etc it would automatically start the vac.

I would mount a Power Bar to the bottom of the table so the power switch is close to the front edge of the table. Then plug both the skiver and the vacuum into it. With both the Shiver and vacuum power switches in the "ON" once you flip the power bar switch both will come "ON" or "OFF" at once. Cost once again from Canadian Tire for about $9.

So for about $80 CAD (45 GDP) for a shop vac setup or $96 CAD ( 54 GDP ) you would have a simple setup.

kgg

[toxo]

3 minutes ago, kgg said:

If you have to buy a vacuum I would consider: These would be my choices on this side of the pond.

i) Small Wet/Dry Shop Vacuum 10L at $70 from Canadian Tire ( https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-vkd811sw-5-5-peak-hp-stainless-steel-wet-dry-shop-vacuum-with-hose-and-accessories-30-l-0540252p.html?rq=vaccum+cleaner  )

ii) Compact Lightweight Bagless Corded Canister Vacuum at $87 from Canadian Tire ( https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/bissell-aeroswift-compact-lightweight-bagless-corded-canister-vacuum-cleaner-0438173p.html?rq=vaccum+cleaner  )

Between the two choices the quieter setup would be the canister vacuum.

I would mount a Power Bar to the bottom of the table so the power switch is close to the front edge of the table. Then plug both the skiver and the vacuum into it. With both the Shiver and vacuum power switches in the "ON" once you flip the power bar switch both will come "ON" or "OFF" at once. Cost once again from Canadian Tire for about $9.

So for about $80 CAD (45 GDP) for a shop vac setup or $96 CAD ( 54 GDP ) you would have a simple setup.

kgg

Thanks Keith. I was actually thinking about those smaller types for the size and bagless because we're not talking dust really. I'm beginning to see the end of this.

[kgg]

1 minute ago, toxo said:

I'm beginning to see the end of this.

Great topic as I am am in the process of setting up a Con Sew DSC-4 skiver and installing that is what I was sort of planning on doing. I will be going with the shop vac method since I already have one in the area the skiver will live. My skiver table has a square hole in the table with a metal shute. I really like the setup of the hose on the bottom of your table. I think I will 3D print a new piece to cover the hole and accept the mounting of the vac hose to the opening similar to your setup.

kgg