A real Rats Nest! Help!

[YinTx]

So, I think this is called an armshaft connecting belt, it is on a Bogle (Consew 226R style) sewing machine.  I've looked on the Techsew page and Google, but have not found one.  I see some on Ebay for what I think is a lot of money for a belt ($80+).  Can someone let me know what this is, and where to get one?  I'd like to get my machine functional again.

Thanks!

YinTx

 

[DieselTech]

17 minutes ago, YinTx said:

So, I think this is called an armshaft connecting belt, it is on a Bogle (Consew 226R style) sewing machine.  I've looked on the Techsew page and Google, but have not found one.  I see some on Ebay for what I think is a lot of money for a belt ($80+).  Can someone let me know what this is, and where to get one?  I'd like to get my machine functional again.

Thanks!

YinTx

 

Would that be the timing belt possibly?

[DieselTech]

Something like this?

[YinTx]

@DieselTech, I'm not sure but I'm on my way to check it out.

[kgg]

2 hours ago, YinTx said:

it is on a Bogle (Consew 226R style) sewing machine

You got your monies worth out of that belt. From the photo's your machine is a cylinder arm. If I'm not mistaken the Consew 226R is the same as the 224, 225 and are Flatbed machines.

However the Consew 227R is a cylinder arm machine. If your machine is a 227R the belt part number is 10621 and it is called a Arm Shaft Connecting Belt.

What does the nameplate say the model number is?

kgg

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by kgg

[kgg]

10 hours ago, YinTx said:

Bogle (Consew 226R style) sewing machine

To be sure I would give the vendor ( Bogle-Greenwell Machine Company) 3100 E Main St, Grand Prairie, TX 75050 a call. The number I came up with was (972) 262-3101. They should be able to tell you what parts should fit your machine.

kgg

[Constabulary]

I guess you mistyped 226. From what I see it looks like a Seiko CW-8 or Consew 227R or similar. The timing belts are readily available on Ebay or from most industrial sewing machine dealers. The Seiko # is 10621 . IIRC they are the same as for the Singer 111w156 (#224195).

I do not know if you have a manual that explains the replacement of the timing belt but the Consew 227R manual does but seems there is no timing mark on your machine. Anyway, here is the manual, hope it helps.

Consew_227,_223_Manual.pdf

Edited November 30, 2024 by Constabulary

[YinTx]

On 11/29/2024 at 9:54 PM, kgg said:

You got your monies worth out of that belt. From the photo's your machine is a cylinder arm. If I'm not mistaken the Consew 226R is the same as the 224, 225 and are Flatbed machines.

However the Consew 227R is a cylinder arm machine. If your machine is a 227R the belt part number is 10621 and it is called a Arm Shaft Connecting Belt.

What does the nameplate say the model number is?

kgg

 

Sorry it's been a hot minute since I posted and haven't responded.  Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any nameplate on this machine at all, only a sticker that says BGMC.  It is a cylinder arm machine.  The user guide I have been using is from a Cowboy 3200 and Techsew 2700, not sure if that helps.  I'll give BGMC a call with the numbers you gave me when I get a spare minute.

 

On 11/30/2024 at 9:26 AM, Constabulary said:

I guess you mistyped 226. From what I see it looks like a Seiko CW-8 or Consew 227R or similar. The timing belts are readily available on Ebay or from most industrial sewing machine dealers. The Seiko # is 10621 . IIRC they are the same as for the Singer 111w156 (#224195).

I do not know if you have a manual that explains the replacement of the timing belt but the Consew 227R manual does but seems there is no timing mark on your machine. Anyway, here is the manual, hope it helps.

Consew_227,_223_Manual.pdf 3.6 MB · 4 downloads

Thanks much for these resources, I'll check them out.

Thank you guys for the info, when I get an opportunity to get the belt replaced, I'll let you all know how it worked out!

YinTx

[YinTx]

On 11/29/2024 at 9:54 PM, kgg said:

You got your monies worth out of that belt

Also, I've probably stitched less than 10 yards with that machine in 10 years.  Feeling like I didn't get my $ out of it, lol!

[YinTx]

Well, been a long while since I posted here, life has a way of keeping you busy!  I did finally clean up that rats nest, and have been trying to get the machine back in correct timing etc.  which has been a real challenge.  

I feel like the timing belt is quite loose:  anyone know how tight it is supposed to be, or is a large amount of slack normal?

I have not found how you are supposed to adjust the feed dog timing (vertical timing is not quite right), so if anyone can point me in the right direction there I'd appreciate it.  Only videos I've seen are for the 226, which this is not.  The Techsew 2700 instructins have the following:

22. Adjusting the timing of feed
(Fig. 19)
Standard position:
When the feed dog appears from the needle plate and
begins to feed, the needle should move downward, and
is nears the needle plate and aligns with the hole on the
plate. Please adjust the position of feed cam and rock
shaft crank to adjust the timing of feed.
2) Install the feed cam
At first, adjust the stitch length to zero, and open the up.
per cover, turn the balance wheel counter clockwise by
right hand; divide two screw of the feed cam equally as
the oil hold is bisector.

Anyone care to translate what that even means??!!?

Consew 227 instructions are not much better, and I am not sure they actually relate to the feed dog vertical timing:

TIMING OF THE VIBRATING PRESSER FOOT

This is the normal timing when, turn the balance wheel toward you, after lowering the presser bar lifter, the vibrating presser foot should reach the feeder earlier than the needle eye comes to, and when the needle raises, the vibrating presser foot should leave the feeder after the needle eye has left the feeder.

This is due to the reason that the vibrating presser foot must tightly hold the goods while the needle is passing the goods for avoiding irregular stitches.

To adjust this, set the lift of the alternating presser feet to equal, loosen the two screws (3, Fig. 27) and adjust the rotating position of the cam (4, Fig. 27) faster or slower as may be desired, and tighten the screw.

 

Any help is greatly appreciated!!!