cowboy outlaw roller guide question

[Damas]

Hi, being in France it's not easy to find parts and accessories for my CB3200.

Does anyone here can tell me if the cowboy outlaw heavy duty roller guide will fit my cb3200 ?

It's this guide https://www.buckleguy.com/heavy-duty-sewing-guide-for-bg-cowboy-outlaw-hand-operated-sewing-machine/?srsltid=AfmBOoonU5cm1FmPj1-4sV5qAnFb-FzI4iHyXL9UsjM42GdepeDWoSZ0

[Cumberland Highpower]

That's a pretty hard type of guide to find anymore. They used to be fairly common back in the days of the hook and awl hot wax machines.  I like that style and use them on a couple machines still.  Here in the US we have Toledo Industrial Sewing machine, in Toledo, that stocks that type for your Chinese clone. img_0173.jpg (800×600)  $95 US plus shipping.

This type will fit your machine, as its basically for any Juki TSC 441 clone.  (CB3200, CB4500, ETC).  The Cowboy outlaw guide also fits your CB3200 from what I've read.  If I were you, i'd order the type from Toledo Sewing machine, only becuase it allows some adjustment of the guide, front to back.  Every machine is built slightly different and you'll find yourself wanting to adjust/fine tune where the roller sits in relation to the feeding of the machine.  The Outlaw guide does not allow for this type of adjustment without moving the whole guide and even then no guarantee the slots cut into it allow enough front to back movement.

As an option, you could by a  drop roller guide from your own "country" the EU.   I just bought a guide for an Adler made in Grande Italia! Better quality than a Chicom guide. I believe your price for this type would be E53. I paid considerably more, but I also paid for Fed EX international express....I believe your shipping charge is also 6 euro if I remember correctly? 

The distributor I bought from uses "stripe" for credit cards or wire transfer for larger purchases in the thousands.  Tell them you're a business and you get a better price.

The company that I bought from is Silac, based in Italy, but they do have a French/English/Spanish/ROmanian language websites.

www.silacsew.com.   (.com/fr)

NS/127 | Suspended Edge Guide with Long Pin, Suitable for Most Machines # 6764/07-01 (Made in Italy) | Silacsew

You would also need a mounting bracket for your specific machine.  The CB3200 is a Juki TSC-441 clone, so you'd need a Juki Bracket.

The guides I brought up are made by SA.PE or Ditta SAPE,  in Italy.  Perhaps you do not like this type of guide? They make a WHOLE range of attachments, but SA.PE seems to operate the old fashioned Italian way, so the distributor is better service. SA.PE does have a catalog online but it's a dated affair.  They may make the type you're looking for as well, you'll have to find the catalog online and read through it.

Edited December 21, 2024 by Cumberland Highpower

[CowboyBob]

4 hours ago, Damas said:

Hi, being in France it's not easy to find parts and accessories for my CB3200.

Does anyone here can tell me if the cowboy outlaw heavy duty roller guide will fit my cb3200 ?

It's this guide https://www.buckleguy.com/heavy-duty-sewing-guide-for-bg-cowboy-outlaw-hand-operated-sewing-machine/?srsltid=AfmBOoonU5cm1FmPj1-4sV5qAnFb-FzI4iHyXL9UsjM42GdepeDWoSZ0

Yes,this guide will work.The guide we sell is identical to the one in question & no guides I know of provide front to back adjustment (just the drop down has this feature) just left to right.The CB3200 uses a different casting than the 441's & does not have a flat machines spot to fasten a drop down edge guide.

[Cumberland Highpower]

3 hours ago, CowboyBob said:

 no guides I know of provide front to back adjustment (just the drop down has this feature) 

Maybe you didn't have your coffee yet Bob? I just barely had mine....

 The swing away roller guide pictured on your website for the CB4500 is adjustable front to back.  You see the Phillips screw that is holding down a piece of aluminum angle?  loosen the screw and the little angled piece can move fore and aft, allowing the roller to set in any position fore and aft.  

I have the same upper guide piece on one of my union lockstitches, and adjusted it 3/16" on Thursday. 

 

Kind of a bummer the CB3200 doesn't have a place to mount a drop down guide....I'm a little surprised to hear that part, considering the era we live in?

If I had been a purchaser of a CB3200 and found out It couldn't take a drop down roller guide, I'd probably feel a little, I don't know, short-changed?

Not directing that at you personally, I just mean it generally. Those CB's are sold around the world by lots of vendors. It's probably a real short list of NEW industrial unison feed machines out there that don't come drilled/tapped for a drop down guide of some sort....

Edited December 21, 2024 by Cumberland Highpower

[Wizcrafts]

9 hours ago, Cumberland Highpower said:

 The swing away roller guide pictured on your website for the CB4500 is adjustable front to back.  You see the Phillips screw that is holding down a piece of aluminum angle?  loosen the screw and the little angled piece can move fore and aft, allowing the roller to set in any position fore and aft.  

I have the same upper guide piece on one of my union lockstitches, and adjusted it 3/16" on Thursday.

I have a CB4500 and it came with a t-bar bracket and roller guide. But, my roller guide has a cast or milled flange hanging down on the front edge. The flange stops the backward movement at about the center of the t-bar. It is not adjustable at all. I've had two ULS machines and neither of their roller edge guides were adjustable. They looked exactly like the one that came with my Cowboy, which was in 2012.

[Damas]

This place is amazing ! Thank you all for your answers ans precious détails !

@Cumberland Highpower I do love drop down guides but as said by @CowboyBob hard to find a spot on the cb3200 to place one... And I agree with you, it would have been so great to have that possibility

I will buy the outlaw guide, it's available here in France at a fair price : https://www.decocuir.com/products/guide-pour-machine-a-coudre-cowboy-outlaw

[Cumberland Highpower]

11 hours ago, Wizcrafts said:

I have a CB4500 and it came with a t-bar bracket and roller guide. But, my roller guide has a cast or milled flange hanging down on the front edge. The flange stops the backward movement at about the center of the t-bar. It is not adjustable at all. I've had two ULS machines and neither of their roller edge guides were adjustable. They looked exactly like the one that came with my Cowboy, which was in 2012.

Well Wiz, maybe I've just been luckier than I should be, getting good stuff

Attached is a photo of the roller guide from one of my UL machines.  I bought this guide back in the late 1990's from Randall, back when they were in NY. (Randall Machinery, International, something like that, not Campbell-Randall).  On the machine it's mounted on, the roller is just forward of the awl.  It still has 1/8" of forward travel left in the mechanism, and 1/4" rearward travel available.     

The old UL guides had a cast flange that was part of the guide and not adjustable, I have one or 2 like that somewhere.

I also have a fully machined Randall made aluminum guide that sports the same L shaped flange as this brass guide I can post photos of it as well, but it's in my other shop on my other UL and I'm not going there until after new years. We're closed for the holidays.

It's pretty handy to be able to fine tune/adjust a roller guide front to back. If the roller is too far forward or too far back you can have problems feeding work, especially work with any form of curve in it.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Cumberland Highpower

[Wizcrafts]

@Cumberland Highpower

I wished that my roller guides were adjustable. What I did back then was to add a washer to the pivot screw and tighten it down once I found the sweet spot for the work at hand.

My first ULS was made by Randall in NY in 1968. I bought it from Tandy Leather in 1988 and it only had a needle, awl and bobbin in it. there were no accessories or tools! They used it to sew totes and the operator retired. The first batch of parts and accessories came from a machine made in the early 20th Century. I also bought dozens of parts from Randall Corporation, in NY. I sold the machine in 1999 or 2000 when my wife to be complained about that big ugly black thing in the dining room wasting space and hardly ever being used any more. I never should have sold that machine, but got rid of the wife instead (she left a few years later)! It ran like a top.

[Cumberland Highpower]

4 hours ago, Wizcrafts said:

@Cumberland Highpower

I wished that my roller guides were adjustable. What I did back then was to add a washer to the pivot screw and tighten it down once I found the sweet spot

 

Wiz I kinda did the same thing, even with the adjustable guides.  Only instead of a regular washer, I used a metric wave washer.  That really gave me the tension I wanted, and I could crank it down tight enough to lock in place .    Sorry about the wife though, probably not a good solution there?

I'm not allowed to bring anything machine/leather or work related into the house....Got in a bit of trouble once when I left a strap by the kitchen door! 

     

 

[CowboyBob]

On 12/21/2024 at 1:02 PM, Cumberland Highpower said:

Maybe you didn't have your coffee yet Bob? I just barely had mine....

 The swing away roller guide pictured on your website for the CB4500 is adjustable front to back.  You see the Phillips screw that is holding down a piece of aluminum angle?  loosen the screw and the little angled piece can move fore and aft, allowing the roller to set in any position fore and aft.  

I have the same upper guide piece on one of my union lockstitches, and adjusted it 3/16" on Thursday. 

 

Kind of a bummer the CB3200 doesn't have a place to mount a drop down guide....I'm a little surprised to hear that part, considering the era we live in?

If I had been a purchaser of a CB3200 and found out It couldn't take a drop down roller guide, I'd probably feel a little, I don't know, short-changed?

Not directing that at you personally, I just mean it generally. Those CB's are sold around the world by lots of vendors. It's probably a real short list of NEW industrial unison feed machines out there that don't come drilled/tapped for a drop down guide of some sort....

Yes,we better update the website,that type isn't available anymore.

[Wizcrafts]

2 hours ago, CowboyBob said:

Yes,we better update the website,that type isn't available anymore.

Can you upload a picture of the current roller edge guide?