Cowboy Outlaw machine

[Dwight]

8 hours ago, Thadrick said:

I have an outlaw and boss.

The outlaw is worth the extra money hands down. It's cast iron and lifetime warranty,  just call Ryan he'll get you fixed up quickly.

The Boss is lifetime warranty as well.  The "cast iron" is just advertising gimmikery . . . the aluminum body on mine has lasted a full 25 years . . .  has never had a problem . . . and when I have to move it . . . I'm darn sure glad it is aluminum . . .

Probably best thought there . . . can you drive to either location for service.

I'm 2 hours from Tippmann . . . I call em . . . they tell me they're waiting for me to get there.

May God bless,

Dwight

[Thadrick]

5 hours ago, Dwight said:

The Boss is lifetime warranty as well.  The "cast iron" is just advertising gimmikery . . . the aluminum body on mine has lasted a full 25 years . . .  has never had a problem . . . and when I have to move it . . . I'm darn sure glad it is aluminum . . .

Probably best thought there . . . can you drive to either location for service.

I'm 2 hours from Tippmann . . . I call em . . . they tell me they're waiting for me to get there.

May God bless,

Dwight

Nope your wrong, I just looked, the boss has a 1 year warranty on parts and service.

I'm not two hours from anything, who cares, I wouldnt want to live in your world. new parts for the cowboy were on my doorstep in three days from my call to Ryan. Would think same time for the boss.

 Aluminum  galls, cast iron doesn't. I'm man enough to pick them Both up.

 Neither of my machines use 415 thread. Both use 345 but the boss doest look as good.

 The cowboy has a longer arm for more work area. 

 Both machines sew the same thickness leather, I know because I did it. Leather that didn't fit the cowboy also didn't fit the boss.

 Are you affiliated with tipmann? I have both, no dog in this fight.  I like the cowboy better and it seems better designed and a lot more sturdy. 

Your the reason that I purchased this boss, you claimed it was superior to the cowboy. YOU ARE WRONG, and now I have spent my money on a machine that I feel is sub par to my original plan to pick up another cowboy. 

May God bless you too.

[Northmount]

10 hours ago, Thadrick said:

 Are you affiliated with tipmann? I have both, no dog in this fight.  I like the cowboy better and it seems better designed and a lot more sturdy. 

Your the reason that I purchased this boss, you claimed it was superior to the cowboy. YOU ARE WRONG, and now I have spent my money on a machine that I feel is sub par to my original plan to pick up another cowboy. 

May God bless you too.

 

10 hours ago, Thadrick said:

I'm not two hours from anything, who cares, I wouldnt want to live in your world.

You need to tone down a notch or two.  Keep it civil.

[Thadrick]

I wasn't going to respond but he directly poked at me with false statements.  Even so much as quoted me. This is the second thread where he directly rebuked my statements about the topic.  Maybe tell the preacher to stop stalking me and get his facts strait?

[bruce johnson]

No dog in the fight either but here's my experience. Tippmann originally made the Boss with a cast iron frame. I am not sure exactly when Dwight bought his but I bought mine in early to mid 2000 and it was cast iron. Cost was around $1600 then. Everybody and their uncle was a Tippmann dealer and I'm sure that the profit margin dealer pricing agreements made them $1600 list. Anything else that sewed leather then was $5000 or more. No Artisans, Cobras, or clones then so it was the first somewhat affordable option.  I think the aluminum frame Boss came a few years later but not sure on that. I don't recall a lifetime warranty, only one year.  I know that a few parts were upgraded and sent out at no charge. I got a few replacement parts that broke later on - rack and cable over time. I don't think they were free but can't say 100%. The lifetime deal on mine was that you send the machine in to them, they'd go through it for something like $100 0r $150 and they would rewarranty it again then. Obviously living close and driving it over, they might do repairs or adjustments as a favor in that business relationship. When I sold mine, I sent it to them, they went through it for the fee and sent it on to the buyer with the warranty.  In use, I sewed some 415 but mostly 277 or 346 on top, one size smaller in bobbin. The short throat was really limiting for some of my work. Still for belt and edge sewing it was good. My late wife and a 14 year old son could sew on it. My current wife sewed a bunch of production belts on it when we were dating. The Boss likely ran $200,000 or more through it.  

If I was buying today - Outlaw if I was to buy a hand crank. You may not think you need more throat space but its enough of a plus that the cost would have been worth it for me. If you want to add another $1000 then the Cobra 26 is a solid choice unless you are sewing saddle skirts. Reach for Rundi Johnson's #26 and you will pull back a bloody stump.