Artisan Price Decrease

[awharnessshop]

Steve I am dying to see a picture of the new machine and maybe a side by side comparision of the Corba, Toro, Bull and the cowboy. Price as well! In this economy if anyone has the gumption to start a business I have much respect!

-Andrew

[ryano]

Adler 205 is also cast in China and a couple of the processes in Czech Republic. Which doesn't make them bad I guess.They are not made in Germany as Weaver advertises by mouth. They are also super very expensive compared to the other knock offs. It's like anything else out there, buyer beware. That is why I stuck with an old proven American heavy iron machine. This post is like the old Ford vs Chevy scenario. My whole point is only this; Dealers tell the truth and quit bull----ing us.

[Cobra Steve]

Steve I am dying to see a picture of the new machine and maybe a side by side comparision of the Corba, Toro, Bull and the cowboy. Price as well! In this economy if anyone has the gumption to start a business I have much respect!

-Andrew

Hi Andrew,

Johanna is working on our web site as we speak. www.leathermachineco.com

Basically the machines are similar, the main difference with our machines are the features and of course, my service. If you need more info. call me toll free at 1-866 962-9880

Thanks, Your Friend Steve

[ryano]

Service means a lot!

[Art]

Hi Everyone,

I was at Wickenburg working in Steve's booth. It cost me $2,000 to go out there with my son and help Steve, who I have known for years. I also know most everyone in the leather machine business, especially folks selling new machines and quite a few of the used machine sellers. I also know the folks in China, well at least most of them doing business over here, and I know a lot more about the financial condition and factors all along the chain than I can tell. If anyone wants specific no bull info on what is going on, I can pretty much relate how things are going, privately. For the last couple of years, there has been a bunch of bull being put forth by certain folks, and I am not happy with it, and I have let one distributor know that I am going to let folks know when they make false statements. I have been previously lied to and have given out info on this forum that was told to me as the truth, and it was a total fabrication. That will stop now and I will clear-up any false statements. I have been checking out every statement made about sewing machines, and there will be no more BS.

Fact one:

Other than Luberto, Campbell-Bosworth, and a few others who do some refurbishment, there are no manufacturers of leather sewing machines in the US; that capability left a looooong time ago. They all are pretty much made in mainland China.

Fact two:

There are no Chinese machines assembled in USA or America even. China does not send castings here for distributors to assemble using their parts. Every machine comes in a box, and is completely assembled, any other story is BS, pure and simple.

Fact three:

Distributors do assemble complete units from feet, needle plates, stands, motors, speed reducers, belts, lights, thread stands, and machine heads. Some go to great pains to design their feet and needle plates and provide quality equipment. If I file and grind out a foot or needle plate, it would astonish you how fast and at what cost I can have 100 made. If I can find something that is just about right already in production, minor modifications like loping off a foot are even faster and cheaper.

Fact four:

As far as leather machines go, there are variations of the Juki 441, and there are variations of the Adler 205, yes there are other machines, but those two make up the majority; lengthen or shorten the arm and maybe beef-up a casting and there you go. There are all of about four what I call Class A factories in China who make these machines, and there is a very small community of folks work in trade in these machines. What I call Class A is a factory with CNC equipment (preferably US, Japanese, or other serious manufacturer) and quality control procedures to back that up.

Fact five:

I have checked with my contact in China (yes I have one and she is an exporter), and she checked to see if there is any order for 400 machines anywhere in China. Nope, no way you can keep that secret. Any talk of new castings? The first question was WHY? the ones we are using work fine! She checked anyway and No, nothing. This in the land where you can find out anything, and I mean ANYTHING for lunch or less.

So, if you are buying a Chinese sewing machine labeled (in alphabetical order):

Artisan

Cobra

Cowboy

Ferdco

Sewmo

you are going to get, pretty much, a good machine. Feet might be different, setup might be good, bad, or non existent, this all depends on the person running the distribution company and providing the service. If you want my private opinion, there are three, maybe four companies I would trust to send money to, get a hold of me by phone if you want my opinion, and why.

Artisan is selling the 3000 for $1650. If you can actually get a machine for that, go for it, it is considerably less than he sells them to dealers for, and is a great deal. There is a great deal of information in my last sentence.

In the end, the price of the machine doesn't matter, you are going to have it until your wife or kids sell it, service matters very much, very very much. If it is a 441 or 205, you can get parts, and if you can get parts you can fix it, having someone to help you with that is paramount.

The above is purely my opinion based on information I have derived from various sources and my hands-on use of these machines and other resources at my disposal.

Art

[jwwright]

Many Thanks Art. JW

[ryano]

Thanks Art for taking the time to clear this up.

[gnarls]

TELL YOU A STORY. SOMEONE HAD SAID THE ADLER 205 WAS CAST IN CHINA. I WANTED TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS TRUE. FOUND AN E-MAIL ADDRESS AND ASKED IF THAT WAS TRUE. NEVER FIGURED I WOULD GET AN ANSWER. THIS AFTERNOON AN ODD NUMBER SHOWED UP ON MY CALLER ID. INSTEAD OF ANSWERING BY E-MAIL A GENTLEMAN TOOK THE TIME TO PLACE A LONG DISTANT PHONE CALL FROM THE CZECH REPUBLIC TO ANSWER MY QUESTION. THAT WAS SERVICE!!!! HE TALKED VERY SLOW SO I COULD UNDERSTAND HIS ACCENT . HE SAID" ALL THE MEDIUM TO HEAVY WEIGHT ADLER STITCHERS ARE CAST IN THER FACTORY IN THE CZECH REPUBLIC, WHICH IS STAMPED ON THE NEW ADLER'S. THERE ARE SOME LIGHT WEIGHT ADLERS THAT SELL IN THE $500.00- $700.00 RANGE THAT ARE CAST IN CHINA. HE SAID ANY ONE WHO DOES NOT BELIVE CAN POST THE PHONE NUMBERS AND IF I SEND THEM TO HIM HE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CALL AND GIVE YOU THE ADRESS."

I THINK IF ALL OF US COULD GIVE THAT KIND OF SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS BUSINESS WOULD BE GOOD.

TO ME THE REASON WE RUN OUR OWN BUSINESS IS SO THAT WE CAN EACH MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS AS TO WHAT IS IN OUR SHOPS. IF YOU HAVE A MACHINE THAT WORKS FOR YOU AND YOUR HAPPY WITH IT, AND CAN MAKE A GOOD PRODUCT. I'AM HAPPY FOR YOU, AND WILL NEVER TELL YOU THAT IT IS NOT ANY GOOD OR THAT YOU BOUGHT IT FROM THE WRONG DEALER OR COUNTRY. AND BEFORE I MAKE ANY STATMENTS I HOPE I TAKE THE TIME TO DO RESEARCH AND GET MY FACTS STRAIGHT.

[tonyc1]

I bought my Adler from Ferdie's son, Ron, when he had Richland Industrial Machines about 10 - 12 years ago. Where would mine have been made?

Tony.

[gnarls]

YOU CAN CALL ADLER IN GA. AT #770-446-8162 AND ASK QUESTIONS