esantoro Posted July 10, 2009 Report Posted July 10, 2009 I thought I'd post here instead of starting a new thread. I'm running low on supply of Tandy CC and need to switch to using the gallons and thinner. I had wanted to switch to XL-8. Keith told me to get more familiar XL-8. I did and he was right. It's the only CC I've used that requires one coat, as stated on the container. To make a long story short, I needed a two-dollar item from Weaver so had to think up some other needed items. They have Barge at the same price for which I can get XL-8. I noticed that the Barge container also states one coat (Tandy and Duall 88 for me require two coats, which doubles the work time for glueing). I know many people aren't satisfied with Barge's new non-hazardous formula, but are you able to get by with using only one coat? Would you say that minimum wait time for assembly is 20 to 30 minutes? Ed Quote http://www.waldenbags.com http://www.waldenbags.etsy.com
esantoro Posted July 10, 2009 Report Posted July 10, 2009 Rick, Would you say that acetone could be used universally as a thinner for all brands of CC, or does it just happen that it works well with Masters? Is Masters a yellowish-tannish color like XL-8 and Weldwood or is it more opaque like Tandy and Duall-88? I'm beginning to wonder if the darker colored CCs are better. Ed I use Masters. It is $32.00gal. and is very strong. I thin it about 30% with acetone, spreads even, flat and fast.When thinning with acetone it takes about 10 minutes to mix completely. Quote http://www.waldenbags.com http://www.waldenbags.etsy.com
Members swivelsphinx Posted July 10, 2009 Members Report Posted July 10, 2009 What type of adhesive is Barge? Neoprene? PVA? Other? Can't say that I have ever heard of it.Is it available in the UK? Steve Barge is a contact cement. It's available in the us, but is classified as a hazardous material in quantities over the 4 oz tube, which limits the methods that it can be shipped when you are buying in quantity. I like it because it has a stronger bond than Testor's Rubber cement, and is bendable after it dries. Quote "Where there's a witch, there's a way!"
Members swivelsphinx Posted July 10, 2009 Members Report Posted July 10, 2009 I have not seen Masters. Is it a contact cement like Barge? I have been using original formula Barge. I mostly do smaller projects like bags and collars. I need most of my projects to be bendable after they are finished, which is why I started using Barge to begin with. For some smaller projects where using contact cement is not practical, I occasionally use Titebond's hide glue. Testor's Rubber cement is good if I just need a bond to hold something in place when I sew, or need the cement for a lighter, easily discolored project. -swivelsphinx Quote "Where there's a witch, there's a way!"
esantoro Posted July 10, 2009 Report Posted July 10, 2009 Weaver told me today that the new Barge does not have this hazardous shipping requirement. Barge is a contact cement. It's available in the us, but is classified as a hazardous material in quantities over the 4 oz tube, which limits the methods that it can be shipped when you are buying in quantity. I like it because it has a stronger bond than Testor's Rubber cement, and is bendable after it dries. Quote http://www.waldenbags.com http://www.waldenbags.etsy.com
Moderator Art Posted July 11, 2009 Moderator Report Posted July 11, 2009 Used to be Barge, then they changed it. Now Masters and/or Renia. I learned about Renia from a shoe guy, they have a bunch of different products, but many of them are for synthetics. Some of the Renia hardeners and primers work pretty good with Masters All Purpose too. Art I just thought I would start a topic...I use both Bardge, & master cement on my leather prodjects... I would like to here from all, on which cement yall use, & why... I know the fourmular has changed with the enviormantal issues in todays world. So I want to know your view on this issue. I think other leathercraftpeople would like to here about it also... SO FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR $0.02 in........ PS: Also talk about thinning the cement. ex: how much, how often, & which thinner you use,brand name or generic??? Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
hidepounder Posted July 12, 2009 Report Posted July 12, 2009 Weaver told me today that the new Barge does not have this hazardous shipping requirement. Ed....when Barge dropped the hazardous shipping requirement on the new product, they seemed to have dropped the "sticking" requirement also..... Bob Quote
esantoro Posted July 12, 2009 Report Posted July 12, 2009 Not good to hear, since I just put out for two gallons. I've yet to use Barge, so I don't know what to expect regarding fumes. If the new Barge has low fumes similar to the old Tandy CC and Duall 88 that will be one plus.I can't imagine it would underperform Duall 88. From what I hear, Weaver uses the new formula exclusively in its own production environment. I'll give them a call to get some pointers for how they've adjusted to the new formula. If I come up with anything useful I'll report back. Ed Ed....when Barge dropped the hazardous shipping requirement on the new product, they seemed to have dropped the "sticking" requirement also.....Bob Quote http://www.waldenbags.com http://www.waldenbags.etsy.com
esantoro Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Weaver now sells only the new formula Barge and they use it in their own production. Word from them today is that they have experienced no difference in quality. And they use the new formula in the same manner they used the old formula. Perhaps this should be taken with a grain of salt -- who knows. I tend to get rather lazy when it comes to stirring CC before using. Perhaps stirring is even more necessary with new formula Barge. Ed Edited July 14, 2009 by esantoro Quote http://www.waldenbags.com http://www.waldenbags.etsy.com
Ambassador Luke Hatley Posted July 14, 2009 Ambassador Report Posted July 14, 2009 ED. stirring or shaking .....is the main thing to do with the New Barge cement, Quote Luke
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