The best thing about Angelus dye...

[CitizenKate]

I can only go back a year and a half...

The stuff I made back then is still just as when I painted/dyes them and some of them is just 2 feet away from a window. They seam to keep up really well.

That's quite a bit better than Fiebings, then. I'll have to get some and test it. Thanks!

Kate

[TheTrooper]

@Tina

Sadly I still haven´t got an response from Angelus about ordering from Europe, even after 2 times additional mailing :-(

But I will get back to you, when I have some informations.

@all

Due to the fact that I often order my stuff in the US, I am also thinking of purchasing my angelus dyes from an US supplier. I saw on the turtlefeathers homepage that they offer the reducer just in the US.

I think it must also be possible to thin the anglelus dyes down in a another way. When someone of U is using the reducer from Angelus, could this one be so kind an post what the exact ingredients are ?!? From what I know this has to be written on the label.

I am working in a chemistry lab and can maybe mix something by my own. Even when someone can tell me how he/she is thinning down "normal" spirit dyes this can help me much.

Thanks for any hints in advance.

Cheers,

Marcel

[CitizenKate]

I think it must also be possible to thin the anglelus dyes down in a another way. When someone of U is using the reducer from Angelus, could this one be so kind an post what the exact ingredients are ?!? From what I know this has to be written on the label.

I am working in a chemistry lab and can maybe mix something by my own. Even when someone can tell me how he/she is thinning down "normal" spirit dyes this can help me much.

We've been kind of dancing around this subject of reducers for awhile, with no definitive answer.... Here's what I know.

When I used Fiebings' spirit dyes, I always used plain denatured alcohol to reduce it, and I could not tell any difference between that and their "special" reducer formula.

However, I just bought some Angelus dye for testing. One of the things I asked the person taking my order was, "What do I use to reduce it?" I thought she was going to tell me I had to get the Angelus reducer formula to use with their dyes, but she said "Just use denatured alcohol."

Sure enough... I tested it with plain denatured alcohol and it reduces the color just fine with no side-effects whatsoever.

Just my opinion... you guys can stop wasting your money on their "special" formulas. You can buy a gallon of denatured alcohol for less than the cost of a pint bottle of "reducer".

Kate

[Rawhide]

We've been kind of dancing around this subject of reducers for awhile, with no definitive answer.... Here's what I know.

When I used Fiebings' spirit dyes, I always used plain denatured alcohol to reduce it, and I could not tell any difference between that and their "special" reducer formula.

However, I just bought some Angelus dye for testing. One of the things I asked the person taking my order was, "What do I use to reduce it?" I thought she was going to tell me I had to get the Angelus reducer formula to use with their dyes, but she said "Just use denatured alcohol."

Sure enough... I tested it with plain denatured alcohol and it reduces the color just fine with no side-effects whatsoever.

Just my opinion... you guys can stop wasting your money on their "special" formulas. You can buy a gallon of denatured alcohol for less than the cost of a pint bottle of "reducer".

Kate

That's exactly what I'm going to start doing...Wish I would have seen this about an hour ago...I just came from home depot.

[TheTrooper]

We've been kind of dancing around this subject of reducers for awhile, with no definitive answer.... Here's what I know.

When I used Fiebings' spirit dyes, I always used plain denatured alcohol to reduce it, and I could not tell any difference between that and their "special" reducer formula.

However, I just bought some Angelus dye for testing. One of the things I asked the person taking my order was, "What do I use to reduce it?" I thought she was going to tell me I had to get the Angelus reducer formula to use with their dyes, but she said "Just use denatured alcohol."

Sure enough... I tested it with plain denatured alcohol and it reduces the color just fine with no side-effects whatsoever.

Just my opinion... you guys can stop wasting your money on their "special" formulas. You can buy a gallon of denatured alcohol for less than the cost of a pint bottle of "reducer".

Kate

Hi Kate,

big THX for your reply. That was what I wanted to hear

It is good to see that life can also be very simple sometimes, too. *gg

So I will stay also just with the alcohol (just for thinning the dyes of course )

Cheers,

Marcel

[carljc72]

I bought Angelus black and light brown. I used them both today for the first time. I don't know what the light brown will look like when dry, but it sure seems very dark right now.

What type of prep do you do before dipping (or spraying for those who use an airbrush)?

[esantoro]

After reading this thread, I'm wondering if the Angelus Dye is what I need.

I currently use Fiebing's Edge dye in dark brown and black. The black seems fine, though I like what I'm hearing about black Angelus dye regarding rub off, or lack of rub off.

My real problem is dark brown. I got the Edge Dye thinking it would give a deeper, darker dark brown than what a regular dye would give. What I end up getting is more like a reddish brown. It's not a terrible problem right now, as I mostly use the dye as a base for an edge finish, but I would like to have the option of just using dyes and beeswax on bag edges.

Do you think Angelus dye in dark brown will give me an actual dark brown edge on vegetable tanned leathers? I'm also thinking of trying Weaver's dye (from LCI) and Kelly's dye.

Thanks,

ed

[Rawhide]

After reading this thread, I'm wondering if the Angelus Dye is what I need.

I currently use Fiebing's Edge dye in dark brown and black. The black seems fine, though I like what I'm hearing about black Angelus dye regarding rub off, or lack of rub off.

My real problem is dark brown. I got the Edge Dye thinking it would give a deeper, darker dark brown than what a regular dye would give. What I end up getting is more like a reddish brown. It's not a terrible problem right now, as I mostly use the dye as a base for an edge finish, but I would like to have the option of just using dyes and beeswax on bag edges.

Do you think Angelus dye in dark brown will give me an actual dark brown edge on vegetable tanned leathers? I'm also thinking of trying Weaver's dye (from LCI) and Kelly's dye.

Thanks,

ed

Ed,

To tell you the truth, the best edge dye I've used is fiebings oil dye...It penetrates very deep in the edge. I tried the Angelus dye on the edge and didn't like it, but you may have better luck with it, but I like the oil dye. (As a matter of fact, I HATE the edge dyes)

[esantoro]

Hi Marlon,

I'll take your word on this. I was expecting more from the edge dyes, but they don't seem to be anything special. The one thing I like about the spirit dyes is that they dry quickly and I can get on with the next construction step. How quickly do the oil dyes take to dry? My wait time for trying is consumed with the edge finishes, and I'm not sure I want to factor in additional waiting, especially if I'm using the dye only as a base. I'll have to look into some oil dyes for finishing the edges. Out of curiosity, I threw in a 4 oz bottle of Fiebing's Edge Enamel with my ZW order today.

Thanks,

Ed

Ed,

To tell you the truth, the best edge dye I've used is fiebings oil dye...It penetrates very deep in the edge. I tried the Angelus dye on the edge and didn't like it, but you may have better luck with it, but I like the oil dye. (As a matter of fact, I HATE the edge dyes)

[Rawhide]

Hi Marlon,

I'll take your word on this. I was expecting more from the edge dyes, but they don't seem to be anything special. The one thing I like about the spirit dyes is that they dry quickly and I can get on with the next construction step. How quickly do the oil dyes take to dry? My wait time for trying is consumed with the edge finishes, and I'm not sure I want to factor in additional waiting, especially if I'm using the dye only as a base. I'll have to look into some oil dyes for finishing the edges. Out of curiosity, I threw in a 4 oz bottle of Fiebing's Edge Enamel with my ZW order today.

Thanks,

Ed

Oil dye is really just a spirit dye with a little better alcohol and better dyestuffs for color. I would estimate the same dry time for oil dyes as regular spirit dyes. I do have to warn you that my edging process is fairly lengthy, so my timeframe may be different...