what's a 97-10 worth?

[ryano]

Jim,

Thank you for your reply and valuable information. I stated the false information was about the 97-10 and harness only, not the rest of the information. The needle groove is one and a half inches on the 794 needles and that's why I wanted to know why only 5/8 on the 97-10 machine.

Buying a new machine is not always the answer though. These are super big investments as you well know. The dealers on the site are very good on letting people know what other options are out there. They all seem to play well together too, so to speak. I know the clones are very versatile on materials. I also know they are an all around good machine for the price and the beginner. With all machines, there are jobs they are not suited for. I know there is one dealer working hard on getting different attachments made up for his machines. As far as reverse is concerned, heavy leather stitchers do not need reverse when you are using a leather needle. Back stitching cuts the thread. This one is always up for debate. People on the site have said the leather needle does not cut their thread on back stitching. I just know mine cuts the thread on back stitching. So I use stitching wax and sew to 1960's military specs.

I understand what you mean about the learning curve also. It's not just with the needle and awl stitchers, but sewing with a machine in general. Then there is the knowledge about the materials, sewing allowance, tools and so on and so on. This stuff is not easy.

I did not mean to step on anyone's toes here and apologize if I did. I do not think there was any known misguided information either. Sometimes it is hard to type what you want to say because you cannot show any emotion. Thanks again for taking the time to respond Jim.

Best regards,

Ryan Osborn

[barra]

Jim,

So I use stitching wax and sew to 1960's military specs.

Ryan. What do you mean by 1960's MILSPECS????

Barra

[ryano]

I have an old army sewing and sewing machine book that that tells you, how to start and stop the stitch, and not to back stitch on leather. To end you step over one stitch and come back 5 stitches and trim to surface. You start the same way. Keep in mind that stitching wax is used.

[barra]

Never heard of that one and my life is governed by MILSPECS. I guess it is like when a webbing harness is stitched your "supposed" to form your box stitch pattern by stepping up one stitch and coming accross to the other side, or a bit like drop stitches.

Thanks for the info

[jimsaddler]

Jim,

Thank you for your reply and valuable information. I stated the false information was about the 97-10 and harness only, not the rest of the information. The needle groove is one and a half inches on the 794 needles and that's why I wanted to know why only 5/8 on the 97-10 machine.

Buying a new machine is not always the answer though. These are super big investments as you well know. The dealers on the site are very good on letting people know what other options are out there. They all seem to play well together too, so to speak. I know the clones are very versatile on materials. I also know they are an all around good machine for the price and the beginner. With all machines, there are jobs they are not suited for. I know there is one dealer working hard on getting different attachments made up for his machines. As far as reverse is concerned, heavy leather stitchers do not need reverse when you are using a leather needle. Back stitching cuts the thread. This one is always up for debate. People on the site have said the leather needle does not cut their thread on back stitching. I just know mine cuts the thread on back stitching. So I use stitching wax and sew to 1960's military specs.

I understand what you mean about the learning curve also. It's not just with the needle and awl stitchers, but sewing with a machine in general. Then there is the knowledge about the materials, sewing allowance, tools and so on and so on. This stuff is not easy.

I did not mean to step on anyone's toes here and apologize if I did. I do not think there was any known misguided information either. Sometimes it is hard to type what you want to say because you cannot show any emotion. Thanks again for taking the time to respond Jim.

Best regards,

Ryan Osborn

G'Day Ryan

I love your good manners! thankyou. This why LW is such a good Forum for learning.

Reverse is easy to use with a Leather point as long as you position the stroke carefully when switching to reverse. A fraction late and it will jump in the same hole, a fraction early and it cuts the stitch. A bit of practice and you'll achieve a good result. One word of warning though. When using Braid in the bobbin don't reverse if its to be seen as for some reason it stays exposed and looks yucky. Anyone else had this problem?

I'm interested in your Military Specs from a historical view. Would it be possible to get a copy of them somehow.

Please have a Happy Day.

Kindest Regards.

Jim Saddler.

[ryano]

Greetings Jim,

The old U.S. Army manual I have is very neat. It has many different kinds of sewing machine repair manuals enclosed between it's covers. Anyone who has a 111w should have one of these. All the machines are Singer. It also explains how to sew many different items and materials. I will see how much it will cost to get it copied. The local print shop is very reasonable and do a great job. It would be nice to have it put on a cd. Well take care and have a great weekend. It is a deep freeze in my neck of the woods.

Ryan

[jimsaddler]

Greetings Jim,

The old U.S. Army manual I have is very neat. It has many different kinds of sewing machine repair manuals enclosed between it's covers. Anyone who has a 111w should have one of these. All the machines are Singer. It also explains how to sew many different items and materials. I will see how much it will cost to get it copied. The local print shop is very reasonable and do a great job. It would be nice to have it put on a cd. Well take care and have a great weekend. It is a deep freeze in my neck of the woods.

Ryan

Many thanks Ryan

Can you get it copied to PDF format on CD? As a lot of manuals are converted that way now.

We're having another Rainy warm day here. Rained every day since Christmas after none since July.

Sorry I cant work out how convert Warm Weather to send to you.

Kindest Regards.

Jim Saddler.

[harnessman]

Greetings Jim,

The old U.S. Army manual I have is very neat. It has many different kinds of sewing machine repair manuals enclosed between it's covers. Anyone who has a 111w should have one of these. All the machines are Singer. It also explains how to sew many different items and materials. I will see how much it will cost to get it copied. The local print shop is very reasonable and do a great job. It would be nice to have it put on a cd. Well take care and have a great weekend. It is a deep freeze in my neck of the woods.

Ryan

Hi Ryan

I would be intrested in a copy as well.

Thanks

JIm