Members Jimbob Posted March 29, 2011 Members Report Posted March 29, 2011 Hi everybody..... Just trying to set up my new Singer 31-15.....it has an unusually small hand wheel (to me...) on it?!? Wonder if Ican change it to a much bigger one for more hand control and lesser speed. Did they all (31 series) come with the same size wheel or are there different hand wheels out there....? Just wondering, if possible I like to go bigger. After market or original parts? thanks for the info........ Aloha james Quote http://www.elfwood.com/~alien883 First it is just leather....then it is what-ever I can dream off...
Members neelsaddlery Posted March 29, 2011 Members Report Posted March 29, 2011 I could be wrong, but I do not know of a larger wheel that Singer made specifically for the 3115. I have heard stories of people taking pulleys and putting them on machines (like pulleys for lawnmowers, automobiles, or industrial machinery) and using them. You could also try taking a pulley from another model altogther and either making a sleeve for it if it is too big or machining the hole out if it is too small. Quote Ryan O. Neel Cowboy Sewing Machines Neel's Saddlery and Harness Offices in North Lima Ohio and Toledo Ohio www.cowboysew.com www.neelsaddlery.com toll free: 1-866-507-8926
Members cdthayer Posted March 29, 2011 Members Report Posted March 29, 2011 Did they all (31 series) come with the same size wheel or are there different hand wheels out there....? james Hi James, There were two sizes of hand wheels that came out on the 31-15s. The Singer parts manual shows a large 6-spoke wheel #2135 and a smaller 5-spoke wheel #12358. I'm not sure if they are readily interchangeable, but I only see one hand wheel collar in the parts book. I have two 31-15s, one with each size hand wheel. In appears that the older model 31-15s that originally came out in a treadle stand or a convertible treadle/electric stand may have had the larger wheel to accommodate treadle users that started the machine with a hand motion. I haven't actually tried swapping the hand wheels on my 31-15s, but I know the larger one won't work on a Singer 96-40, because I did try that. CD in Oklahoma thayerrags.com Quote "I sew, I sew, so it's off to work I go....." My sewing machines:Adler 205-370 (Hand Crank), Adler 205-64 (Hand Crank), Consew 226 (Clutch/Speed Reducer), Singer 111G156 (Hand Crank or Clutch), Singer 111W153 (Clutch), Singer 20U33 (Clutch), Singer 78-3 Needlefeed (Treadle), Singer 20U (Treadle), Singer 29K70 (x2) (Both Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 96-40 w/Darning Foot (Treadle), Singer 31-15 w/Roller Foot (Treadle), Singer 31-15 (Hand Crank), Singer 16-41 (Treadle), Singer 66-1 (Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 201K4 (Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 216G Zigzag (Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 319W (Treadle)
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted March 29, 2011 Moderator Report Posted March 29, 2011 What I see in the photos of the two wheels is that while the hand wheel is larger on one, the pulley isn't. That means that it will be easier to hand wheel the machine, but there wouldn't be any speed reduction, nor torque multiplication, if one swapped wheels. The only way to get slower speeds, with more torque, is to do one of the following changes: Change the original clutch motor pulley to a much smaller diameter pulley (with a shorter belt). Buy a speed reducing double or triple pulley to go between the motor and the machine. They mount under the table and add one more v-belt. They typically yield about 3:1 speed reduction and the same amount of torque multiplication. Replace the motor with a SewPro 500GR servo motor (& shorter v-belt). It has built in 3:1 speed reduction gears and a 2" pulley. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
KAYAK45 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Posted March 30, 2011 What I see in the photos of the two wheels is that while the hand wheel is larger on one, the pulley isn't. That means that it will be easier to hand wheel the machine, but there wouldn't be any speed reduction, nor torque multiplication, if one swapped wheels. The only way to get slower speeds, with more torque, is to do one of the following changes: Change the original clutch motor pulley to a much smaller diameter pulley (with a shorter belt). Buy a speed reducing double or triple pulley to go between the motor and the machine. They mount under the table and add one more v-belt. They typically yield about 3:1 speed reduction and the same amount of torque multiplication. Replace the motor with a SewPro 500GR servo motor (& shorter v-belt). It has built in 3:1 speed reduction gears and a 2" pulley. Hey Wiz. I also would like a larger wheel on my 31-15 and I already have the great, great servo. But I do start all runs with a hand reverse stitch and would like more hand control, only. Its not a speed thing for me! Do you know how I build a new wheel and gear to get what I want? Or has somebody out-there done it before and could share? Quote Once believed in GOD and the DOllAR...... Hello God!
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted March 30, 2011 Moderator Report Posted March 30, 2011 Hey Wiz. I also would like a larger wheel on my 31-15 and I already have the great, great servo. But I do start all runs with a hand reverse stitch and would like more hand control, only. Its not a speed thing for me! Do you know how I build a new wheel and gear to get what I want? Or has somebody out-there done it before and could share? Coitently! Read this thread to see how one member slowed down and maxed the torque on his upholstery machine, plus gained a huge handwheel. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Jimbob Posted March 30, 2011 Author Members Report Posted March 30, 2011 thanks guys..... I have a Singer 211-155 on a table already with a servo motor from Toledo Bob.....the 31-15 will fit right in that cut out,,,so all I do is change head if needed. So speed is no problem, but hand control for extreme curves.....sharp turnes and little detail stitching....back tacking... That bigger hand wheel on one of the other model 31-15 seems to be the trick, I am sure I can make that fit! Or find me a large Handwheel from a totally different machine,,,,? and make it fit??? Where could I find a larger handwheel, any sugestions... As always thank you for the input and info from all. Greetings Jimbob:yeah: my sewing machines: Adler 105-64 Singer 211-155 Singer 31-15 Singer 99 handwheel mint Singer 19-51 mint Singer 188K in works Quote http://www.elfwood.com/~alien883 First it is just leather....then it is what-ever I can dream off...
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted March 31, 2011 Moderator Report Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) I'd wager that "Toledo Bob" probably has the large 6 spoke handwheels for the 31-15 machines. If not, he can find another wheel with the same inside shaft diameter to mount it onto a 31 class machine. Edited March 31, 2011 by Wizcrafts Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Anne Bonnys Locker Posted April 1, 2011 Members Report Posted April 1, 2011 The 31 and numerous other machines are still made in India so parts should be no problem. Unfortunately I have found dealing with suppliers on the sub-continent to be problematic. Quote Darren Brosowski
Trox Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 Hi Wiz! Did you pimp any of your machineswith a bigger pulley? Or do you know of anybody else doing it the same way as the Harnessman. What about after marked parts for big heavy Adler and Singer stitchers. Like the Ferdinand Bull did with some stock sewing machines, converted them to Bull Machines. With among other parts; bigger hand wheels. Anybody knows where to get parts like that? Did he make those big hand wheels himself or ordered them from Asia. Is it any suppliers selling stuff like that? Trox What I see in the photos of the two wheels is that while the hand wheel is larger on one, the pulley isn't. That means that it will be easier to hand wheel the machine, but there wouldn't be any speed reduction, nor torque multiplication, if one swapped wheels. The only way to get slower speeds, with more torque, is to do one of the following changes: Change the original clutch motor pulley to a much smaller diameter pulley (with a shorter belt). Buy a speed reducing double or triple pulley to go between the motor and the machine. They mount under the table and add one more v-belt. They typically yield about 3:1 speed reduction and the same amount of torque multiplication. Replace the motor with a SewPro 500GR servo motor (& shorter v-belt). It has built in 3:1 speed reduction gears and a 2" pulley. Quote Tor Workshop machines: TSC 441 clone/Efka DC1550, Dürkopp-Adler 267-373/Efka DC1600, Pfaff 345-H3/Cobra 600W, Singer 29K-72, Sandt 8 Ton clicking machine, Alpha SM skiving unit, Fortuna 620 band knife splitting machine. Old Irons: Adler 5-27, Adler 30-15, Singer 236W-100
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