Members wildrose Posted September 6, 2011 Members Report Posted September 6, 2011 in 4H, we used empty cereal bags, from inside the boxes. Quote Holly Moore Wild Rose Creations http://www.wrcleather.com
Members leatherjunkie Posted September 7, 2011 Members Report Posted September 7, 2011 Chan Geer showed us in class to use the sheet protectors that office supply stores sell. just put your pattern inside the sheet protector and lay on leather to trace. u can use notebook paper for your pattern this way Quote keep it in the 10 range or at least hit the steel.
Members DaltonMasterson Posted September 7, 2011 Members Report Posted September 7, 2011 While probably not cheaper, I use mylar drafting film. I had a few pieces of it in a desk I brought home, and it works great. One side of mine is frosty, the other side smooth. I put my patterns on it with pencil, and when the pattern is permanent and dont need any changes, I spray a light coat of clear gloss paint over it to preserve the pencil. I have since got a roll of it from an engineering company that does it all on computers now, and have been putting all of my carving patterns into a book for easy browsing. The ones I have are 3' x 2' and 1 sheet can hold a lot of patterns. I used to just roll them up, but have since found an old blueprint drawer to store them flat in. In the long run, its a lot cheaper to me, as I can organize, and have pretty much permanent patterns that are waterproof, and easy to use. I havent worn one out yet, either after about 5 years. DM Quote Specializing in holsters of the 1800s. http://www.freewebs.com/daltonmasterson/plumcreekleatherworks.htm
Members StraightTimeStirrups Posted October 4, 2011 Members Report Posted October 4, 2011 I have been using Parchement Paper from the store. 30 sq Ft is <$4! It will get wet but I am just practicing. So it works good for me. Joe Quote
hidepounder Posted October 4, 2011 Report Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Does anyone know of a less expensive substitute for Tandy's Tracing Film? I like the properties of the tracing film, but it's a bit pricey for me. There must be some other film or plastic sheeting out there that can be bought for a cheaper price, maybe in bulk or something? If you know of anything please let me know! Dennis Green Dennis, I read all the responses to your question with great interest. There were a lot of suggestions but for my part they were all a little hollow. Yes there are other products that you can draw on for a lot less money, but none of them allow you to trace multiple times onto leather. You can use any of the tracing papers, but you either have to transfer the pattern onto tracing film (which is what I do) or you have to cover the paper with packing tape or with shelf paper. Vellum or tracing paper alone, won't stand up to a stylus during the tracing process, nor will it withstand the moisture from the leather. Most papers won't! You can cover the back side of your pattern with packing tape, but packing tape expensive and somewhat time consuming, especially because you need to cover both sides if you hope to be able to use the paper twice. For me the shelf plastic is so heavy that I can't get the clean clear lines that I need, to be able to cut my pattern without having to do a lot of re-drawing. Sheet protectors also are too thick to do a nice job of transferring patterns. You can cover the leather with plastic wrap which is a real pain, but you still need something to protect your paper from the stylus. So for my purposes, I consider Tandy's tracing film to be cheap. It's large enough to do bigger projects. You can draw right on the film, or trace a pattern onto it. It can be used many times without coming apart. I think it's one of the better products that Tandy has ever come up with and having tried the alternatives, I still prefer to purchase it by the roll. I have patterns on Tandy tracing film that are 30 years old and are in as good shape today as they were the day I drew them. I have the greatest respect for all of you who use alternatives, but I think for the money, time savings and durability, Tandy tracing film is my first choice! That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!...... Bobby Edited October 4, 2011 by hidepounder Quote
Members Spinner Posted October 4, 2011 Members Report Posted October 4, 2011 Dennis, I read all the responses to your question with great interest. There were a lot of suggestions but for my part they were all a little hollow. Yes there are other products that you can draw on for a lot less money, but none of them allow you to trace multiple times onto leather. You can use any of the tracing papers, but you either have to transfer the pattern onto tracing film (which is what I do) or you have to cover the paper with packing tape or with shelf paper. Vellum or tracing paper alone, won't stand up to a stylus during the tracing process, nor will it withstand the moisture from the leather. Most papers won't! You can cover the back side of your pattern with packing tape, but packing tape expensive and somewhat time consuming, especially because you need to cover both sides if you hope to be able to use the paper twice. For me the shelf plastic is so heavy that I can't get the clean clear lines that I need, to be able to cut my pattern without having to do a lot of re-drawing. Sheet protectors also are too thick to do a nice job of transferring patterns. You can cover the leather with plastic wrap which is a real pain, but you still need something to protect your paper from the stylus. So for my purposes, I consider Tandy's tracing film to be cheap. It's large enough to do bigger projects. You can draw right on the film, or trace a pattern onto it. It can be used many times without coming apart. I think it's one of the better products that Tandy has ever come up with and having tried the alternatives, I still prefer to purchase it by the roll. I have patterns on Tandy tracing film that are 30 years old and are in as good shape today as they were the day I drew them. I have the greatest respect for all of you who use alternatives, but I think for the money, time savings and durability, Tandy tracing film is my first choice! That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!...... Bobby I agree Bobby. I don't use an alternative, just threw one out there to try and help the OP. I, like you, like the fact that I can draw it once and use it many times as needed. I'm really excited about Tandy's new version that has one side that is printable directly from a computer printer. I do many drawings on my computer and this will cut down quite a bit of time by cutting out the paper to film tracing process! Chris Quote Chris Three Mutts Customs Leather - http://www.threemuttscustoms.com
Members Urshag Posted October 4, 2011 Author Members Report Posted October 4, 2011 I agree Bobby. I don't use an alternative, just threw one out there to try and help the OP. I, like you, like the fact that I can draw it once and use it many times as needed. I'm really excited about Tandy's new version that has one side that is printable directly from a computer printer. I do many drawings on my computer and this will cut down quite a bit of time by cutting out the paper to film tracing process! Chris I understand what you guys are saying. I haven't found anything else that works as well either. It just seems that for as something as simple as a thin sheet of translucent plastic, that there MUST be the same product out there that's being used for something else that's not as expensive. It is just thin plastic after all. Oh well. I appreciate all the responses! Dennis Quote
Members DaltonMasterson Posted October 4, 2011 Members Report Posted October 4, 2011 I havent handled the Tandy version, but is it basically drafting Mylar? That is what I use, and the characteristics described of the Tandy version all apply. There are lots of sources for it, in sheets or in rolls. DM Quote Specializing in holsters of the 1800s. http://www.freewebs.com/daltonmasterson/plumcreekleatherworks.htm
hidepounder Posted October 4, 2011 Report Posted October 4, 2011 I do many drawings on my computer and this will cut down quite a bit of time by cutting out the paper to film tracing process! Chris I sure hope you'll show us some of your drawings done on the computer. That is something I would REALLY like to learn!!!!!! Bobby Quote
Members Spinner Posted October 4, 2011 Members Report Posted October 4, 2011 I understand what you guys are saying. I haven't found anything else that works as well either. It just seems that for as something as simple as a thin sheet of translucent plastic, that there MUST be the same product out there that's being used for something else that's not as expensive. It is just thin plastic after all. Oh well. I appreciate all the responses! Dennis I havent handled the Tandy version, but is it basically drafting Mylar? That is what I use, and the characteristics described of the Tandy version all apply. There are lots of sources for it, in sheets or in rolls. DM This all made me curious as drafting mylar is basically the same thing, except drafting mylar is general 1-2 mil thicker than what Tandy sells but Tandy's won't hold printer/copier inks or toner well (smudges) whereas drafting film works just fine. So in looking for 3mil drafting mylar online, converting to sq. ft. to make comparisons easier, it would appear that Tandy's tracing film isn't that far out of line in pricing. Tandy Tracing Film: 20" x 10y roll for $33 = 50 sq ft = $0.66/sqft Dick Blick Art Supply: Drafting mylar 36" x 20y roll for $106.46 = 180 sq. ft. = $0.59/sqft GrafixArts: Drafting Film 3mil 36" x 20y roll for $122.84 = $0.68/sqft Alternative Materials: GrafixArts: Biodegradable Acetate: 25" x 50' roll for $37 = 104 sq ft = $0.35/sqft GrafixArts: Dura-Lar 3mil: 20" x 12' roll for $8.21 = 20 sq ft = $0.41/sqft Grafix Plastics is one of the largest creative plastics manufacturers in the US, I've used their Frisket Film and Incredible Liquid Mask for years for painting. I have a gut feeling that this is where Tandy get's their tracing film from (especially since Graphix is one of the few suppliers that makes 20" wide rolls). A sheet of copier paper is 4mil thick so the 3mil films would be about right. Graphix also makes a "Computer Graphix" film that is inkjet and laserjet printable and comes in a 6 pack of 8.5 x 11 sheets - exactly what Tandy is going to carrying soon (direct from Graphix is $6.69 per 6 pack) In looking at the products/prices, I'm thinking I'm going to give the Graphix Dura-Lar a try when I get some extra cash and see how I like it. It's serves the same purposes as Tandy's tracing film (tear resistant, heat & moisture resistant and accepts pencil & pen easily) and is 2/3 the cost. Quote Chris Three Mutts Customs Leather - http://www.threemuttscustoms.com
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