Ll Vs Lr Needles , Stitch Patterns ...

[CustomDoug]

I'm trying to decide between the LL and LR shaped machine needles for leather and was wondering and hoping that I could see some examples of the stitch patterns that they lay down. I read somewhere that Schemtz made these needles and supposedly there were videos showing these patterns (among all the various different points they offer), but I can not find it on their website. Does anyone know of the link? Also, are there any other brands I should look to? Pictures possibly? Mostly looking for the 135x16 system in various sizes. Thanks in advance.

Edited August 30, 2012 by CustomDoug

[mikesmith648]

Try these..... http://m.youtube.com/results?q=schmetz%20needles

[Greystone]

I think this is what you are asking for,,, http://www.campbell-...Point-Part1.pdf

or http://www.campbell-bosworth.com/supply/needles.html

Edited August 30, 2012 by Greystone

[CustomDoug]

@ mikesmith648, I checked youtube first but after watching a couple of pretty long videos that ended up having nothing to do with the stitch patterns I gave up.. do you know of a specific one I need to see out of that list? @ greystone, those campbell-bosworth links are very helpful - Thanks a ton.

[particle]

Greystone - those links may or may not be what the OP was looking for, but I can never remember where that page is - thanks for sharing! I'm going to bookmark it right now for future reference.

[Cobra Tom]

Try this downloadable reference guide from schmetz. http://www.schmetzneedles.com/learning/pdf/leather-needles.pdf

It has examples of the stitch patterns that different needles produce.

[CustomDoug]

Thanks Tom (et al)... unfortunately it looks like the "seam appearance" picture (on the Schmetz pdf) of the LR/RTW (as well as it's corresponding LBR & WD R TW) needle is wrong. It shows those threads sewn in an LEFT side LOW - RIGHT side HIGH pattern, which is what the LL needle should be producing [////]. It's done correctly on the Campbell-bosworth page btw. The "seam appearance" picture of the LL needles on the schmetz pdf is hard to make out but it appears to angle opposite of what it should, ever so slightly.

[mlapaglia]

I use a "S" needle 794 S 200 for my 277 thread. Gives me a great straight stitch line. Looks much better than the LL or the LR

[CustomDoug]

That "S" needle made stitch you did looks a lot straighter than the picture on Campbell-bosworth page where the thread looks more like //// (which is what I'm after). Thanks for posting that picture, I'd love to see others with their personal work done using the other needles. Unfortunately Campbell-bosworth and Schmetz are contradicting each other. I wish I could get one of each including S and maybe another or two besides the LL and LR - just to know for sure.

[Gump]

Hi all, Had the same questions about different points their effect on stitch looks. The best info i found was on at Groz-Beckertt.com. They have a downloadable pdf that is an excelent reference guide to needle points and their effects. Gump.