Neel's Saddlery 441 Machine, Good For Professional Work?

[jbossartcustomgunleather]

I'm looking for my first machine, and one that will give professional results for my business. I've found a Neel's 441 that is local and priced right, and am ready to buy. I am primarily a holster maker, is this a good choice? The seller said he bought it new in 2008 as a hobby that didn't work out, has less than 10hours on it. $1700 and it's not far, seems ideal. Thanks, Josh

[robertmeco]

I have never herd of this machine tryed to google it with no results I use a Cobra 4 machine and cant say enough good about it

Edited July 18, 2013 by robertmeco

[particle]

That machine should have very similar specs (if not identical) to the Cobra Class 3. If you are happy with the price, and the owner can sew on it and prove it sews fine, then it will probably work perfectly fine for your holster business.

http://www.leathermachineco.com/catalog.php?item=2

[jbossartcustomgunleather]

The seller said it would skip stitches on tight corners, but I would imagine it requires some adjustments, or is easily fixed being near new. I will have the opportunity to sew with it before buying.

[Ferg]

It looks similar to a Cowboy 227 maybe older.

I am going to make a semi educated guess.

Will sew 3/8" of leather with 138 thread but may work with #207 on top with 138 in the bobbin.

Looks to have reverse and will probably sew a maximum stitch length of 5 (Stitches per inch)

Has a Clutch Motor, you should get a Servo motor for it.

That is a very short arm, 10.5" probably. That could be a hinderance with your holsters.

IMHO, that is too much to pay for it.

Contact Bob at Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines 866-362-7397

. He has a complete line of machines you can chose from at great prices.

ferg

[jbossartcustomgunleather]

quote - " 9" throat and can sew up to 3/4" thich leather. 3/4 hp servo motor with speed reducer" I didn't think to ask if it had reverse , looks like the cowboy CB3500 I was considering

[Wizcrafts]

It is a CB3500 rebranded and set up by Ryan O'Neel, who runs Neel's Saddlery in Lima, Ohio. It has all the capabilities of a CB3500 and would make a great holster sewing machine. It does have reverse built into the stitch length lever. Just go up to sew in reverse.

Note, you can buy a new CB3500 for about $2100. Hopefully, this used machine has plenty of bobbins, needles and thread for $1700.

[jbossartcustomgunleather]

_{It comes with needles and 5# of thread, if it will be suitable for my purpose I don't know. I was planning on driving to Bob's for a cowboy machine to save the cost of freight, but even the drive would be expensive, My price range is more like the 2500 class, but managed to pull some strings to reach the 3500/4500 range. Even still a few hundred dollars makes a big difference right now, but I still want to make a good investment. My first thoughts were for the 4500 with the 16" arm, but for holster and belt work I assume the 9" would be sufficient.}

[Wizcrafts]

_{It comes with needles and 5# of thread, if it will be suitable for my purpose I don't know. I was planning on driving to Bob's for a cowboy machine to save the cost of freight, but even the drive would be expensive, My price range is more like the 2500 class, but managed to pull some strings to reach the 3500/4500 range. Even still a few hundred dollars makes a big difference right now, but I still want to make a good investment. My first thoughts were for the 4500 with the 16" arm, but for holster and belt work I assume the 9" would be sufficient.}

Buy the longest arm machine you can afford. You will thank me later.

[jbossartcustomgunleather]

I really appreciate the advice, it means a lot, and I will think hard on it