Cylinder Arm Edge Binding Machine

[Sunnyside Scott]

I'll start off by by saying that I don't sew leather, but I use walking foot sewing machines to build nylon tactical gear.

My sewing machine A.D.D. is kicking in and I'm in the hunt for a cylinder arm machine with a vibrating binder. As I understand it, the binder moves with the needle so it helps with odd shaped products. I am currently using a flatbed machine with 90 degree binders.

The machines I have seen are the Pfaff 335 and Consew 227R. I use 3/4 and 1" binding tape and webbing on the edges of some of my products. I currently have a standard cylinder arm, Consew 227R but it frustrates the sh!t out me because it uses a G sized bobbin, which always seems to run out just as you get going. So I would really like a size M or larger bobbin and I want to make sure it can handle multiple layers of Cordura and webbing, my build ups can be around 3/8"-1/2".

Can someone point me in the right direction, also give me some insight on what the factories use?

Thanks Scott

[Constabulary]

sounds interesting - I´m looking for something similar for the future....

[Wizcrafts]

I suggest that you contact some of our member-dealers, like Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines, Leather Machine Company, Techsew or Keystone Sewing. One of them will be able to hook you up with the machine you described.

I sympathize with you on the standard G bobbins running out of thread. I now only have large bobbin machines.

[Wizcrafts]

I should have mentioned that Pfaff, Juki and Adler make large bobbin cylinder arm, walking foot machines. I'm not referring to the 441 clones. These are medium-heavy duty machines such as you are looking for. They aren't cheap either.

[Constabulary]

for me it is more the binding attachment it self. I´d like to see what other people have in use

[Sunnyside Scott]

So I did contact one of the Forum advertisers and discussed the Techsew 2800 and the Pfaff 335G, the person I talked to told me that the 2800 has a G sized bobbin and the Pfaff has a large bobbin, but he didn't think it was an M style.

Using the Thread Exchange's bobbin sizing chart I found some interesting information.

Pfaff 335 is a H size bobbin

Consew RBFS is a L sized bobbin

Conew 227r is a G sized bobbin

All of these sizes are similar to G size and are not even close to an M size, so my search goes on, and I might even have to step up to one of the big saddle stitchers.

At the end of the day, want a machine that has good parts support and I can get 90 degree binder attachments and feet at a reasonable price.

The search goes on.

Scott

[Wizcrafts]

Juki makes double size hook cylinder arm machines with moving binders and automatic thread cutting and backtacking. Be prepared to offer your firstborn and mortgage your house to buy one.

BTW: The double capacity Juki bobbins hold about 40 to 50% more thread than M style. I use them in a custom modified long body Singer walking foot machine.

[gottaknow]

Scott, for heavy binding I never use a 90 degree folder. Either a 45 degree or a 30 degree. Much easier and same ease of use. For straight runs, a C style folder (no angle) is preferred. Also, if you can find a pebble finish folder, better yet as it reduces drag drastically through the folder. When we've done binding on tactical gear, I have several Singer 153K's and a Pfaff cylinder with walking feet. Never had to use a vibrating binder when using a relaxed angle folder, and we've run some heavy stuff for the DOD. Atlanta Attachment Co. is the king when it comes to folders.

Regards, Eric

[Geneva]

Highlead GC2698-1B Small Cylinder Arm Walking Foot w/ Large Horizontal Hook

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

Conew 287RB is a large prewound U bobbin, walking foot with reverse comes to mind, as well as Seiko LCW-8BL-1. Both can be found on their respective brands website.