Contributing Member Jordan Posted October 11, 2008 Contributing Member Report Posted October 11, 2008 Seems to me nobody ran anybody off. It was your friends personal choice not to participate on this forum any longer. Seems like there was a lot more communications between your friend and others than was posted for the general members here. So if that was the case and feathers were ruffled that is a personal issue between those individuals and not something the general population would have control over. I did not read anything that was out of line or antagonistic but reading something is alot different than speaking face to face.
Members Rayban Posted October 11, 2008 Members Report Posted October 11, 2008 I found Collins' first post to be very insightful, as I am no Marketing guy, nor do I intend to be. But if I was interested in diving in full time, his info would be quite useful, and I would have not trouble putting it to use. But as a casual Saturday morning coffee sipping observer to this thread, I can't see where he was "run off" either. I would encourage him to strap on a pair and hang around. I would bet he has much more info that could benefit us all. Raybanwww.rgleather.net
Members CitizenKate Posted October 11, 2008 Members Report Posted October 11, 2008 If I had been run off by every person who ever had a differing point of view from my own, I'd be a recluse by now. I happen to like being in a place where people challenge each other to see things differently. Kate
David Posted October 11, 2008 Report Posted October 11, 2008 TO DAVE at DC knives Well said, I agree whole heartedly another Dave
Members JMnet Posted October 11, 2008 Members Report Posted October 11, 2008 I have to say this is group seams to look at things,,, never mind. Having a MODERATOR tell you they didn't bring a dog to this fight is more than confrontational. As we all know a moderator either owns, operates or has some authority on the board. I would place that as confrontational. The two Dave's on this post. So you have never stood in a bar talking to your friends about what products you like and or dislike? You have never told someone on this board that you work with a specific brand of stain of finish? Or maybe a favorite tool? You are doing what the product manufacturer hopes you will do, you are marketing for free. We all do it and don't think about it. So those that have posted and are against this type of marketing. I assume you never took a add in a magazine or a newspaper or on the internet. I personally dislike it in magazines when I am reading an article and then have to skip 20 pages to finish it because someone paid for a full page add in the middle of the article. Do you really think magazines or any other publication accidently puts an ad someplace. No they are placed to make it difficult for the reader. It is marketing.
Contributing Member Denise Posted October 11, 2008 Contributing Member Report Posted October 11, 2008 Now many of you are going to say that this practice is underhanded and should not be allowed..... It is marketing, period. It looks like what Mark said at the beginning is true. 1.) Some people see this as underhanded, and 2.) this is something that is done by marketers. (Now we'll be able to spot it!) I don't see his post as a personal promotion of marketing in this way, but just a post informing us of what is done in an industry that most of us are not part of. While I personally disagree with posing as a "real person" strictly with the intent of marketing on forums, I do see a lot of benefit to being involved in forums to find a market for our goods. Two years ago I didn't know anything like forums existed. Since then I have found a few that have discussions on topics of interest to me. Some I just read. A very few I have joined, not to market, but because I have things to learn and to contribute. I see the major benefit as being the information I gain and the friendships I make, which is especially what LW.net is all about. At the same time I see it as being fair to tell others what we do for a living and why we know what we know. There is obnoxious, run-the-other-guy-down type of salesmanship practiced all over our world. We all tend to have a similar reaction to that. Then there is good information given that promotes your product – what is good about it and why you make it like you do. Being a participant on a forum who is involved in the discussions gives you credibility with the other members (and the lurkers) so when you do say something about your product, people will take note. It does not even have to be "promotion" as such. Often just helping people learn more about leather or holsters or saddles or masks or whatever will bring in inquiries. That is why Johanna is always encouraging people to put up their website addresses, fill out their profiles and put links into their signatures here. It just makes sense to let people know how to contact you (if the forum allows it, which some don't). Regarding any controversy here: as I read it, it seems to be more of a misunderstanding resulting from the impersonal media of typed words on a screen rather than being about to see and hear each other. The thing I enjoy the most about LW is the welcoming, friendly atmosphere here. I suggest we just extend a little grace, give everyone the benefit of the doubt and move on.
Members Shelly Posted October 11, 2008 Members Report Posted October 11, 2008 Interesting reading...I don't think he's been run off - I think everyone will have an opinion about this type of subject, and, if it doesn't agree with his, we should all happily 'agree to disagree', and take no slight from it... Personally, I am always interested in the 'inner workings' of admen, etc, and why they get paid so much money - same with building websites, etc - can we do the deed ourselves?? Probably - if we know what we want in the end...I like knowing if it's worth my time to do something myself, or pay someone to do it... Shelly
Contributing Member TwinOaks Posted October 11, 2008 Contributing Member Report Posted October 11, 2008 I am always interested in the 'inner workings' of admen, etc, and why they get paid so much money - The administration of this website gets paid nothing. This is all volunteer work- a labor of love. Mike DeLoach Esse Quam Videri (Be rather than Seem) "Don't learn the tricks of the trade.....Learn the trade." "Teach what you know......Learn what you don't." LEATHER ARTISAN'S DIGITAL GUILD on Facebook.
Contributing Member UKRay Posted October 11, 2008 Contributing Member Report Posted October 11, 2008 If I had been run off by every person who ever had a differing point of view from my own, I'd be a recluse by now. I happen to like being in a place where people challenge each other to see things differently.Kate Well said, Kate. Long live freedom of speech and thought. Now isn't it time for us all to move on to better things - what happened to all the lovely leatherwork? This pointless nonsense is using up valuable LW bandwidth! "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps" Ray Hatley www.barefootleather.co.uk
Members DCKNIVES Posted October 11, 2008 Members Report Posted October 11, 2008 The two Dave's on this post. So you have never stood in a bar talking to your friends about what products you like and or dislike? You have never told someone on this board that you work with a specific brand of stain of finish? Or maybe a favorite tool? You are doing what the product manufacturer hopes you will do, you are marketing for free. We all do it and don't think about it. I am sorry if I offended but we obviously feel differently about the subect.I will leave it at that, but I will answer the question. Yes, to all, but the difference is that I have purchased, seen, handled or used said product or have a friend that has done the same.Dave To the other Dave, thank you http://dcknivesandle...lademakers.com/
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