Members BDAZ Posted July 8, 2014 Members Report Posted July 8, 2014 http://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb3200.html If the 3200 will do the job, (up to 1/2 inch of leather) the the cost is $1595 out of the box and ready to sew. Besides shipping there will be all kinds of add on fees for customs clearance, port fees, etc. You could be looking at a few hundred dollars additional. Assuming you already have a customs broker.. You would be NUTs to buy this machine from China..IMHO when you could buy a similar warranted, well supported machine for possibly less than the direct import. Cya! Bob Quote
Members Constabulary Posted July 8, 2014 Members Report Posted July 8, 2014 The Math: Machine $1050 Inspection $100 shipping $60 (sounds cheap) Domestic Shipping $280 + unknown import taxes + vat + motor $125 - $150 + Speed reducer $125 -$150 (which you may need) That is (assumed) $1740 including questionable support and warranty from China and you don´t know if you will really get a fully set up and full functional machine. They can tell you what ever they want - they sit on the other end of the world so do you really think they care about 1 single machine? I don´t think they take it back for free if it does not work. A fully setup machine from Toledo is $2300 so you safe about $560 and you have to wait 26 days + unpacking the container + sorting the merchandise + custom check + waiting for the freight forwarder + a few days until you have it at your door just in case you don´t have to pay taxes + vat. What if you have to pay taxes + vat and have to deal with the customs and what if the machine is broke or not setup? How far is China away from you? You said you know nothing about sewing machines, right? So do you really think it is a good idea to buy your 1st machine on the other end of the world? Go ahead and buy it - maybe we all can learn something. I would not buy it! You should probably think about buying a used machine or a CB3200 which is just $1600 http://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb3200.html I´m outta here now - good luck! Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members korokan Posted July 8, 2014 Author Members Report Posted July 8, 2014 The Math: Machine $1050 Inspection $100 shipping $60 (sounds cheap) Domestic Shipping $280 + unknown import taxes + vat + motor $125 - $150 + Speed reducer $125 -$150 (which you may need) That is (assumed) $1740 including questionable support and warranty from China and you don´t know if you will really get a fully set up and full functional machine. They can tell you what ever they want - they sit on the other end of the world so do you really think they care about 1 single machine? I don´t think they take it back for free if it does not work. A fully setup machine from Toledo is $2300 so you safe about $560 and you have to wait 26 days + unpacking the container + sorting the merchandise + custom check + waiting for the freight forwarder + a few days until you have it at your door just in case you don´t have to pay taxes + vat. What if you have to pay taxes + vat and have to deal with the customs and what if the machine is broke or not setup? How far is China away from you? You said you know nothing about sewing machines, right? So do you really think it is a good idea to buy your 1st machine on the other end of the world? Go ahead and buy it - maybe we all can learn something. I would not buy it! You should probably think about buying a used machine or a CB3200 which is just $1600 http://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb3200.html I´m outta here now - good luck! The Math: Machine $1050 Inspection $100 shipping $60 (sounds cheap) Domestic Shipping $280 + unknown import taxes + vat + motor $125 - $150 + Speed reducer $125 -$150 (which you may need) That is (assumed) $1740 including questionable support and warranty from China and you don´t know if you will really get a fully set up and full functional machine. They can tell you what ever they want - they sit on the other end of the world so do you really think they care about 1 single machine? I don´t think they take it back for free if it does not work. A fully setup machine from Toledo is $2300 so you safe about $560 and you have to wait 26 days + unpacking the container + sorting the merchandise + custom check + waiting for the freight forwarder + a few days until you have it at your door just in case you don´t have to pay taxes + vat. What if you have to pay taxes + vat and have to deal with the customs and what if the machine is broke or not setup? How far is China away from you? You said you know nothing about sewing machines, right? So do you really think it is a good idea to buy your 1st machine on the other end of the world? Go ahead and buy it - maybe we all can learn something. I would not buy it! You should probably think about buying a used machine or a CB3200 which is just $1600 http://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb3200.html I´m outta here now - good luck! Thanks for helping me the math: Just check on the Imports to US : Sewing machine is duty free. So Calculating all in all of possible expense: 441 clone $1050 =head and table only Inspector= could be $150 Delivery by boat= $60 Local delivery= $ 280 Speed Reducer= Already have one Motor =$150 total=$ 1630 total for a 441 16 1/2 inch, 20mm foot lift compare to US Equivalent value= 441 Chinese clone =$ 2295- 2400 + delivery $300= $ 2595- 2900 $ 2595- $1600= $ 995 less. or the money I paid for less head ache and risk. I am basically paying $ 995 .00 to feel comfortable. I could buy a lot leather for these amount of money. This is as far as the possible expense I could see. I might have to take the easy, less head ache route and go local.Thank yo for giving me all these information. Make me hold on any purchase and do more thinking first. I know a little bit about sewing machine but dont understand the timing adjustment. Quote
Members korokan Posted July 8, 2014 Author Members Report Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) I would be good to buy the Cb3200. I have been looking at it because of the attractive price. http://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb3200.html If the 3200 will do the job, (up to 1/2 inch of leather) the the cost is $1595 out of the box and ready to sew. Besides shipping there will be all kinds of add on fees for customs clearance, port fees, etc. You could be looking at a few hundred dollars additional. Assuming you already have a customs broker.. You would be NUTs to buy this machine from China..IMHO when you could buy a similar warranted, well supported machine for possibly less than the direct import. Cya! Bob Just check on the sewing machine import to US + is duty free. So I dont really have to pay anything in the port. I went to the site where they calculated the VAT and import taxes form China to US= 0 this the result of I will pay. If I have my sewing machine insured here to a private company insurance I think I will pay less than $900 in a year. If they accept me. That I have to look into.I know that insurance company will insure anything for a price. Edited July 8, 2014 by korokan Quote
Members BDAZ Posted July 8, 2014 Members Report Posted July 8, 2014 I assume you have never been involved with imports because you will need a licensed customs broker to tell the Customs people that there is 0 duty and to file all the paperwork. Check with the sea freight company and ask them what fees would be involved in clearing the item. You may be surprised! Cya! Bob Quote
Members korokan Posted July 8, 2014 Author Members Report Posted July 8, 2014 If I have to hire a sewing machine technician to come to the house and align the hook and the needle, how much do I have to pay in NY ? I assume you have never been involved with imports because you will need a licensed customs broker to tell the Customs people that there is 0 duty and to file all the paperwork. Check with the sea freight company and ask them what fees would be involved in clearing the item. You may be surprised! Cya! Bob Sewing machine is duty free. So I dont have to pay anything in the custom. Quote
Members BDAZ Posted July 8, 2014 Members Report Posted July 8, 2014 You didn't understand. You still will need a broker and file customs forms regardless of the duty. Find out what those charges are. You WILL pay fees to the customs and fees to the broker but no duty. Cya! Bob Quote
dirtclod Posted July 8, 2014 Report Posted July 8, 2014 Just buy the machine from China and be done with it. While your waiting for it to get here you can count the money you saved. Quote I'm old enough to know that i don't know everything.
Members korokan Posted July 9, 2014 Author Members Report Posted July 9, 2014 I assume you have never been involved with imports because you will need a licensed customs broker to tell the Customs people that there is 0 duty and to file all the paperwork. Check with the sea freight company and ask them what fees would be involved in clearing the item. You may be surprised! Cya! Bob I dont know anything about broker imports. I dont know about imports at all. This is why I started this topic.. I am gonna ask the sea freight company how much money is involved . Thanks a lot. Quote
Members gottaknow Posted July 9, 2014 Members Report Posted July 9, 2014 I don't order machines except through US dealers. I don't have time to fuss with all the import stuff. My time is extremely valuable when it comes to sewing machines. The dealers I buy from always give me a fair price, and I can't remember the last time I questioned a price. My free time is scarce, and that's why if I were ever to by a new leather machine, I'd want it set and ready to go and would gladly pay for it, though I could do it myself. I repair machines 40 hours a week, so in my spare time I'd rather be sewing. Whatever you decide, I really hope it works out for you. To answer another question, when I do freelance work I charge $75/hr with a 1 hour minimum. If I lived in NY, I'd probably charge more. Another thing to keep in mind if you need to hire a mechanic. Make sure they are capable of working on your machine. Not all mechanics are familiar with all styles. Regards, Eric Quote
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