Vinegaroon Worries

[rcasimir]

just added the peroxide and this is the result. I plan on waiting a couple hours for it to stick. Is there any other steps before i put it on the coat.

[camano ridge]

Ok, you said you are putting the roon on a coat? Do you know what kind of leather the coat is and what kind of finnish is on the coat? Before you apply it to the coat take a piece of scrap leather and dip in the roon to see if it turns the leather yet. You may have to apply a little neatsfoot oil or olive oil to get the nice rich black. Once you are ready to try it on the coat apply a small amount somwhere on the coat out of site to see if it works and you achieve the results you want. Again be ready to give it a bit of a baking soda bath and then a clear water rinse.

It seems to me you are rushing the Vinegaroon process just a bit. Usually after you have reached the Ferrous acitate stage and have good roon you want it to off gas for a couple of days to get rid of some of the vinegar odor.

[rcasimir]

I have to rush it. I need it finished by next Thursday. Right now its sort fizzing and smells of vinegar, so hopefully its done soon.

[rcasimir]

Would i need to stir it anymore or no?

[radar67]

You are not going to get a good solution of vinegroon in a few days. It usually takes a couple of weeks to work through the process.

[camano ridge]

You can stir it. Your chunks of sttel wool look pretty big, I would have sheredded them up a little more. The fizzing is the reaction of the vinegar and your hydrogen peroxide on the steel wool. That process will continue until the mix has disollved as much of the steel wool as it can. It will not be over in just a few hours. Let it go through it's process for a couple of days undisturbed and then check with a piece of scrap leather to see if you get a good color change.

[DoubleC]

Your 'roon looks oily on top which means the steel wool had oil in it and you're supposed to wash it out. Then you dump downy in it for that fresh soft feeling vinegaroon. THEN you run out and get peroxide to try and speed the process and have it done in one day? You are about to ruin a trench coat. I've been using vinegaroon for 3 years and never heard of using peroxide. You also didn't say what kind of leather and if it's not undyed veg tanned you're about to ruin a trench coat. If you don't give the 'roon time to work you're going to ruin a trench coat? I repeated myself because you asked for help here but didn't listen to the suggestions. So when you ruin a trench coat (4th time) please don't come back here and say we steered you wrong. Chryl

[camano ridge]

Cheryl was a bit more direct then I have been. However I agree with Cheryl. I did say that you need to clean the steel wool with acetone or by burning off. I asked what type of leather because it is important. If it is Chrome Tanned the roon is not going to have the effect you want. I have read articles that say you can make a batch in an hour and half instead of two weeks by using hydrogen peroxide. If that were true eveyone would be doing it that way. If there is oil on the steel wool it will effecte how the vinegar reacts with the steel wool. Basically you are rusting the steel wool, oil will slow that process. You are not dying the leather you are chemiicaly changing the leather so if it is already colored it is not going to have the effect you want. Again do a test strip to see if it turns black. If you really want to try vinegarooning the coat do a test on a small area out of site, before you try vinegarooning the whole coat.

Edited January 16, 2015 by camano ridge

[DoubleC]

Camano, you were a lot nicer than I was. I hope being direct will save his project. Maybe not but we tried. Cheryl

[Northmount]

Has to be veg tanned leather to work. Has to have the tannins to react and turn black.

Tom