Members gottaknow Posted April 15, 2015 Members Report Posted April 15, 2015 If it's a timing issue, the timing is probably retarded, meaning it's picking up the loop too late. When machines jam up and the hook tries to sew through the jam, the hook will slip, always to the retarded position(late). This condition is magnified when sewing in reverse. When trying to sew forward, the hook starts its trip around the hook too late while the take up lever is rising. With snug tension, it can fray or break the thread. Especially for a machine that was sewing fine to change that way, you should always check the timing. It could also explain why it appeared your check spring wasn't working correctly. Glad it's working somewhat better for you. Regards, Eric Quote
Members venator Posted April 15, 2015 Author Members Report Posted April 15, 2015 Unfortunately timing requires a tech as I've been told I can't do it myself since it's too complex. Quote
Members gottaknow Posted April 15, 2015 Members Report Posted April 15, 2015 I disagree. I've seen plenty of home users learn how to set their timing. It's really not that complicated and on your machine, very easy to see. It's also something long term that you should learn how to do. You don't want to pay someone every time you have to reset your machine. If you want to check it, open the slide cover, remove the bobbin and turn the handwheel towards you until the tip of the hook is centered on the needle. Take as close up a picture as you can and let's have a look. I'm attaching a picture for you too see where the hook tip should be coming into the scarf (the little indentation in the needle). Regards, Eric Quote
Members venator Posted April 15, 2015 Author Members Report Posted April 15, 2015 Well the tech to.d me there are 10 different timing adjustments on my machine and if I adjust the wrong one I could cause thousands in damage. I'm a very handy person (cars mostly) but I can't afford to buy a new machine because I destroyed this one so it looks like I'll have to eat the $500-$1000 I was quoted for a home visit to fix it. Quote
Members Colt W Knight Posted April 15, 2015 Members Report Posted April 15, 2015 Well the tech to.d me there are 10 different timing adjustments on my machine and if I adjust the wrong one I could cause thousands in damage. I'm a very handy person (cars mostly) but I can't afford to buy a new machine because I destroyed this one so it looks like I'll have to eat the $500-$1000 I was quoted for a home visit to fix it. yikes, that sucks. Quote
Uwe Posted April 15, 2015 Report Posted April 15, 2015 It's not in the tech's interest to make you feel comfy about doing it yourself. The nice thing about these machines is that they're VERY mechanical. If you're okay with a wrench on a car, you have a VERY good chance at becoming good at working on these old sewing machines. Don't make a change and floor the gas pedal, make an adjustment and very gently turn the wheel by hand. It'll be very obvious if something is way out of whack that might damage the machine. Get hold of a service manual and read it. Chances are it'll seem less problematic than you think. I just got done reading a service manual written for military training(!) for my Consew 225 to adjust my bobbin release lever and it's quite straight forward (turns out it was loose and didn't do anything at all!) It's not rocket science, but rather sewing machine science invented about 150 years ago. But it's your call, obviously. $500-$1000 sound very expensive to me for a slight timing adjustment. Quote Uwe (pronounced "OOH-vuh" ) Links: Videos
Members venator Posted April 15, 2015 Author Members Report Posted April 15, 2015 Unfortunately I can't find a service manual. I've found the owners manual which covers nothing about service or maintenance and the set up manual from the factory which might as well be gibberish. I'm sure I could handle it all if I had the knowledge but I dont so it looks like I stuck paying someone $500 or more for 10 min work. Or selling my machine for scrap Steel and spending $4k on something new. Bad options all around. I would far rather learn to do it all myself but there are no classes around here or even info on the web so im out of options Quote
Uwe Posted April 15, 2015 Report Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Google is your friend http://www.manualslib.com/manual/464955/Duerkopp-Adler-467.html Edited April 15, 2015 by Uwe Quote Uwe (pronounced "OOH-vuh" ) Links: Videos
Uwe Posted April 15, 2015 Report Posted April 15, 2015 I bought my Consew at a local goodwill store partially as a training machine, so that I can try things out before I work on my expensive Pfaff and Adler. Many of the machines are slight variations on each other. Edmonton may not be a hot bed of used industrial sewing machines, but Toronto should be okay. Consider getting a cheap machine just to poke at without breaking out in a sweat. Quote Uwe (pronounced "OOH-vuh" ) Links: Videos
Members gottaknow Posted April 15, 2015 Members Report Posted April 15, 2015 Aside from the 100+ machines I keep going at the factory, I still do side work. Charging $500-$1000 is a rip-off, plain and simple. Seriously, check the freight to Post Falls, ID, 83854. I'd rather have you pay the freight company for shipping just the head to me round trip. I'll get it purring and send it back. It's not the first time I've done that for folks. I just hate the thought of people getting ripped off. I still think you could check the timing yourself along with several other common settings. Regards, Eric Quote
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