Members shoepatcher Posted June 23, 2015 Members Report Posted June 23, 2015 Greg, Adler contracts to have the 30 class machines made. They do not make them themselves anymore. They sell, the 30-10 and the 30-70. Parts are available for both and are not cheap since Adler is not making them. But then again, when are Adler parts cheap? They did discontinue the 30-50 which was the small bobbin, high lift machine. glenn Quote
Members MG513 Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 Why are Adlers parts so much more expensive?? I know he just said its because they dont make them themselves, but why dont they? I was under the impression they were a leader in machine making, no way theyve gone broke and sold everything for a Chinese factory to recreate... I want a 29k71 but I cant find one, either in my area or that doesnt need a ton of work done. Getting desperate. Found an Adler but Im not trying to pay 360 anything for A PART. Singular. Geesh!! Quote
Members Constabulary Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) The stupid high prices for Adler parts are one of the reason why I decided to use vintage Singer machines. And yet I do not regret it. Made in Germany is expensive but no one really knows if the Adler spare parts are still made in Germany - I doubt it. Well, Singer machines are spread all over the world and I think there are more Singer 29K + clones than Adler 30 out there so the demand for Singer parts is higher and parts are cheaper therefore (my theory). I personally think that the last 29K models are technically ahead of any Adler 30. Adler has not much changed on their machines since they have introduced them (I only remember a different adjuster knob on the thread adjuster and 2 different systems to disengage the hand wheel when winding the bobbin). They are still using the long blade spring for putting pressure on the foot while Singer introduced the smaller helical spring in the 1940´s (if not earlier). The 29K foot lift hight mechanism is also ahead of the Adler 30 and so is the gearbox system I´d say. I don`t think thats a factory new Adler 30 sews better or lasts longer than a factory new 29K. It´s always a question of how extensive they were used, how they were treated and how well they were serviced. Both were made for the same purses and both have their "followers". 29K owners love their 29K´s and Adler 30 owners love their Adler 30´s as long as they are working well. But the Adler 30 owners have a disadvantage when they need spare parts. So for me (personally) the logical decision was the Singer 29K71 though I was looking for a short arm Adler 30-15 first. But the 29K71 really convinced me because of the spare parts situation and as I said before I think they are technically ahead. It´s important that you test the machine before you buy it or at least ask for the max. possible stitch length it will produce before you drive hundreds of miles. When a used Adler patcher needs parts you may have a (financial) problem. Some of the 29K and Adler 30 parts are interchangeable but yet have not had both machines at one time so I was not able to compare the important parts. Edited September 15, 2015 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members MG513 Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 The stupid high prices for Adler parts are one of the reason why I decided to use vintage Singer machines. And yet I do not regret it. Made in Germany is expensive but no one really knows if the Adler spare parts are still made in Germany - I doubt it. Well, Singer machines are spread all over the world and I think there are more Singer 29K + clones than Adler 30 out there so the demand for Singer parts is higher and parts are cheaper therefore (my theory). I personally think that the last 29K models are technically ahead of any Adler 30. Adler has not much changed on their machines since they have introduced them (I only remember a different adjuster knob on the thread adjuster and 2 different systems to disengage the hand wheel when winding the bobbin). They are still using the long blade spring for putting pressure on the foot while Singer introduced the smaller helical spring in the 1940´s (if not earlier). The 29K foot lift hight mechanism is also ahead of the Adler 30 and so is the gearbox system I´d say. I don`t think thats a factory new Adler 30 sews better or lasts longer than a factory new 29K. It´s always a question of how extensive they were used, how they were treated and how well they were serviced. Both were made for the same purses and both have their "followers". 29K owners love their 29K´s and Adler 30 owners love their Adler 30´s as long as they are working well. But the Adler 30 owners have a disadvantage when they need spare parts. So for me (personally) the logical decision was the Singer 29K71 though I was looking for a short arm Adler 30-15 first. But the 29K71 really convinced me because of the spare parts situation and as I said before I think they are technically ahead. It´s important that you test the machine before you buy it or at least ask for the max. possible stitch length it will produce before you drive hundreds of miles. When a used Adler patcher needs parts you may have a (financial) problem. Some of the 29K and Adler 30 parts are interchangeable but yet have not had both machines at one time so I was not able to compare the important parts. Hey, thanks for all your input. The got got back to me and said the Adler runs great just needs a motor put on, Whig he has. Still unsure of model and potential price. I told him what I read here about the crazy prices in parts and I've asked if he has a source for parts, will see what he says. I also saw a singer tucked in his shop somewhere and he said it may be a 29 series, but I doubt it will be a k71 cuz it's nots silver and I've only seen silver of that model thus far. I'm excited cuz he's local but imalso not naive so I'm gonna weigh my options... Appreciate all the help!! Hey take a look at this pic... Any idea on model? ALSO, what is the bobbin name called for for a 29-4 or 29-k? Trying find pre wound. Thx Quote
Members MG513 Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 Forgot to attach the pic. Lol Quote
Members Constabulary Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 29K71 also came in black. Sorry - I don´t know where to find pre wound bobbins. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members MG513 Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 29K71 also came in black. Sorry - I don´t know where to find pre wound bobbins. DID THEY!? Well thats good news then... Hopefully thats what it is! Also just uploaded that pic^^^^ Quote
Members Constabulary Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Yep The Adler paint job looks original but I´m not 100% sure and the machine seems to have a darning attachment. Edited September 15, 2015 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members shoepatcher Posted September 15, 2015 Members Report Posted September 15, 2015 I will check tonight to get the number or letter that designates the bobbin size on the pre-wound. Most often, they are in a #69 thread. glenn Quote
CowboyBob Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 The small bobbins are style#19 Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
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