Members Sporty1 Posted December 15, 2015 Members Report Posted December 15, 2015 Just a thought, if you had it stuck to a magnet, the screw may have become magnetized and bounced from the paper and stuck somewhere to the metal on the machine. Long shot, but worth checking. For what it's worth. Quote
Members Gregg From Keystone Sewing Posted December 15, 2015 Members Report Posted December 15, 2015 <sarcasm>Funny, I've never lost a screw while working on a machine.</sarcasm> Quote Industrial sewing and cutting, parts sales and service, family owned since 1977, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA, 215/922.6900 info@keysew.com www.keysew.com
Members TinkerTailor Posted December 15, 2015 Author Members Report Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Bob, Thanks for the confirmation, I was pretty sure i had it, but still a little leary. Sporty1: I looked up under the pedals, i even checked if it got caught up in the casters. At some point i always cut my losses. I got it rigged to finish at least some work last night, and in an hour or so i will get on the horn and look for some screws. Gregg: Sewing machine screws are one thing, I also rebuild internal gear bicycle hubs. Do you have any idea how many little pawls and springs there are in there? They are all planetarys inside there. Sometimes 2-3 sets of planetarys. Shifted from a little pin that goes into the end of the axle. Whey you pull them out of the hub most of them have 3-4 pawls spring loaded on the outside that engage the hubshell, and the pins that hold them in fall out really easy. Once you pull off the bearing cone, everything comes off the axle with a couple twists. When you put it back together, all those planetary gears and pawls have to get back into their spots or it won't go together. Opening one is not for the faint of heart. Most mechanics just look at those hubs, and say nope. A few of them then send the person my way. I keep every set of decent internals for the pins and springs. Spares save time and time is money. Unfortunately this is a new machine, and no-one with a broken one has walked into my door to give me a spare.......yet. Edited December 15, 2015 by TinkerTailor Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
Members Darren Brosowski Posted December 16, 2015 Members Report Posted December 16, 2015 <pissing myself laughing> Never lost one myself Gregg <pissing myself laughing> <sarcasm>Funny, I've never lost a screw while working on a machine.</sarcasm> Quote
Members Darren Brosowski Posted December 16, 2015 Members Report Posted December 16, 2015 Just to be really confusing there is a mixture of screws used on Chinese built machines but the mix is for a variety of reasons. All of it really starts with Singer and ADLER........ Some machines buillt in China are copies of Japanese machines but the Japanese started building machines for Singer as they closed their factories. Other machines are copies of ADLER machines. Some of those started out as outright copies of Singer machines - possibly, such as the No4, a license built version of the 45k25 - but over the years "Germanised". There is a mixture of parts and screws in the Chinese machines that will fit older machines. What we dealers charge the big dollars for is learning which bit fits what. Quote
Members TinkerTailor Posted December 16, 2015 Author Members Report Posted December 16, 2015 Look very carefully, sometimes (actually a lot of times) the nut is recessed into the bar so it is captured and acts like a threaded shaft. Art I looked very carefully, and in the corner on the top edge of the baseboard behind my bench, i found a very small ziploc with a little black nut in it. Sure as shinola, it is a 9/64-40 nut...... Thing is, i don't remember the original screw having enough length to fit a lock nut on the outside, and i can not for the life of me figure out where else this nut in a bag came from........Did not find the screw however..........Wtf.......I told you guys this was the universe messing with me...... Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
Members billybopp Posted December 16, 2015 Members Report Posted December 16, 2015 Yeah... it sucks when screws go missing. It's even worse when extras show up on the workbench as you're reassembling something. This guy that I used to work with LOVED to put an extra screw or two on the bench if I turned my back. He thought that was great fun. ... I learned to mentally catalog every piece before I turned away, and foiled his evil plot. Bill Quote
Members TinkerTailor Posted December 17, 2015 Author Members Report Posted December 17, 2015 Yeah... it sucks when screws go missing. It's even worse when extras show up on the workbench as you're reassembling something. This guy that I used to work with LOVED to put an extra screw or two on the bench if I turned my back. He thought that was great fun. ... I learned to mentally catalog every piece before I turned away, and foiled his evil plot. Bill I worked on an oil rig when i was young that was built in 1946. My first day It was 35 degrees celcius outside and hotter on the rig because of the motors. They told me that because of the heat the huge pulleys at the top of the rig were really hot from the work they had been doing and they needed me to climb up the ladder with two 5 gallon pails of water and pour them on the pulleys to cool them off. I go down and i am filling a bucket from a hose, and i think, First, it is going to be a royal pain in the ass to carry one pail of water up a ladder much less 2, if this rig is 50 years old, and they have to do this all the time, don't you think someone would have dragged a garden hose up there and tied it to the rig by now? Something was fishy. They were having me on. I knew it, however i decided to play along. First however, i filled my pockets with some rusty nuts and bolts. I then climbed up the ladder with one bucket in my hand and one tied to my belt. The 3 old fat dudes that ran the rig sat at the bottom snickering. I dumped the water on the pulleys, came back down and then dumped the bolts on the table in front of them. With a totally straight face, i say "I found these bolts up there and i don't know what they were for, they were just laying around." The pulleys up there hold up hundreds of thousands of pounds. Missing bolts are REAL bad. All 3 of those fat dudes put on safety harnesses and climbed that ladder on the hottest day of that summer, inspecting the rig everywhere, up and down for missing bolts. Probably the most exertion any had done in 15 years. When they could not find any missing bolts anywhere, they came down and asked me again where i found them. It was then i broke out laughing and told them i got them out of the bin..... They never even thought about pranking me again......But i definitely was in on a few pranks on others after that......I miss working with that crew, it was fun. Another time, on 12 hour shifts, when the other crew kept showing up late, we showed up early to relieve them for their days off. We got dressed, hid all the power grinders on the rig, then proceeded to weld their locker doors shut, clothes and car keys inside.. We left them hammers and cold chisels, went up to the rig and took over and started work early, letting them go early for their days off.......... They were pissed. .......I think after 45 mins we gave them the grinders.... They were not late again. Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
Moderator Art Posted December 18, 2015 Moderator Report Posted December 18, 2015 Thing is, i don't remember the original screw having enough length to fit a lock nut on the outside, and i can not for the life of me figure out where else this nut in a bag came from........Did not find the screw however..........Wtf.......I told you guys this was the universe messing with me...... Like I said on some of them the nut was captured in the shaft, there is a hole for it. The only way I accidently found out about one was when I was almost done unscrewing the bolt, I hit it with the screwdriver hard and the nut popped out the other side. The universe isn't messing with you, in my shop the infamous denizen Hermann (named after the infamous German) who transferred from my Dad's shop long ago, is responsible for all sabotage, theft, and whatever suits my fancy. He has stolen all sorts of nuts and screws, not to mention messing-up numerous projects when I wasn't looking (or paying attention), and moving tools and parts. My wife allows him to stay, as long as he stays out of sight. Once she had found out about him, any complaint no matter how relevant, is met with the response, "Hermann did it". We also have a big black racer named Edgar, who owns the shop. He takes care of rats and mice as we never see them, and the occasional copperhead which I wouldn't have believed if I hadn't seen the last half of one sticking out of Edgar's mouth. However, his primary function is to keep the wife out of the shop. He's a daytime snake as we see him on patrol quite often. Art Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members TinkerTailor Posted December 18, 2015 Author Members Report Posted December 18, 2015 Wait, let me get this straight, edgar is the snake and hermann is the boogie-man, right? Or is the glue talkin again..... Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
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