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[BondoBobCustomSaddles]

Western Dressage riders are a new breed around here.  They are still looking to find their way.  So far, from what I can see, they are taking their que' from Traditional Dressage riders who are of the Jocken Schlese school of thought.  I do agree that like Toot says in an earlier post, a little rearward promotes better, position and balance for the novice, which helps prevent "accidents".  So far, for those that I have built them that way at their request, especially Women, I am getting great reviews.  It is interesting to note that the one I built for the lady in this post while it looks similar to her husbands', his was built with traditional stirrup placing and he wouldn't have it any other way.  Matter of preference I guess.

Bob

[AdamTill]

Great job on the saddle! Looks like it was ton of work, but nicely executed.

oltoot - though I get where you're coming from, for a "western dressage" saddle you'd want to allow some rearward stirrup movement, because they often have to drop their legs back to cue their horses. Most dressage riders are fussy enough about stirrup movement being restricted in general moving from english saddles.

As for being impressed about riding WD in a bosal, I wouldn't get too excited. I don't know the person in question, but if it's anything like these...people...they're just dressage riders playing dressup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLslhXR1uwY

Everything about this video is an english rider having no idea how to use a bosal. Ride like this never letting the heel knot drop and you're asking to get a colt running through the bosal. You'd never make a colt like this, so these are just dressage horses where the tack has been swapped. Likewise riding curb bits two handed on contact.

The rules actually REQUIRE contact at all times however, which is a fundamental flaw in the whole concept. They're bringing eductation to all us unwashed western masses though lol

The whole "sport" is a bit of a mixed up mess right now IMHO.

Edited April 11, 2016 by AdamTill

[Dwight]

I don't know enough about saddle structure and this riding sport, . . . but from a leather working standpoint:  5 stars my friend............

May God bless,

Dwight

[Thor]

I don't know enough about building western saddles just yet, but since one of my many hats is that of a riding instructor I know a bit about posture and riding in various disciplines.

On 1/27/2016 at 6:36 AM, BondoBobCustomSaddles said:

 along with stirrups set back 1 1/2" from normal to allow for her to sit up straight and have her leg position below her without forcing her inner thighs outward.

This is the whole explanation that's needed. Now matter of style, be it Western or English, the equitation part and rider's posture is a critical aspect for judging. But not only that, the key to proper rider balance is to have the legs placed where they belong, which is right below the body and not in front of the body. The far forward stirrups have come with reining as far as I know. 

Be it in English riding:

or in Western riding:

More comfortable having the stirrups up front and sitting in it like in a chair? Will look like this:

The goal of dressage is to show a well balanced horse and a well balanced rider. Instead of reading a whole book, or books even you can read this http://jjmaxwell.com/ (click on "Proper positioning & balance")

Now additionally to this - the older we get the harder it is to place the legs properly below the body without having to force them back all the time. I noticed this during riding lessons with kids and adults. While children up to around 16 usually pick it up quite fast it is noticeable that the older the student gets the harder it is for them to place their legs below their body. Another thing is that the older one gets the more they tend to lean forward and believe they're sitting upright and once they're corrected to the upright position they feel like leaning back. I could further this to head position etc., but that would really be too much.

BTW. basic dressage is part of all official "ride to learn" programs in western riding. 

[Billy H]

Thank you for your answer Bob.

I have said it before I think your saddles have a great look--- Old westerns!

would really like to see that saddle on a horse--- beat it looks awesome!

westers dressage ?  I've watched a few competition, each one very different from the next.

I figure it's sort of Free style, but everyone's having fun!

Take care my friend,  Billy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BondoBobCustomSaddles]

Thanks for the kind words.  early in this thread about 5 or 6 or so posts in I listed a facebook website she gave me that shows the saddle on the horse and  her doing a little riding and some comments.

Take Care,

Bob