Wondering About The Fit

[JLSleather]

33 minutes ago, Josh Ashman said:

JLS, ...much like Sam, you haven't invented any of this

Agreed   People were making quality leather long before I was born, and likely will continue after I'm gone.

Just so I've said it, when I referred to "name dropping", I wasn't referring to you.  But, I'm not intending any offense or taking any.  Nothing on this site worth all that anyway.

I do / did try to be of some use to the 'new guy', but honestly I don't gain or lose anything by doing it, or feel the obligation to do it.

Edited March 9, 2017 by JLSleather

[JimTimber]

What does a hem do? 

It doubles up the edge to make a stiffer part without adding that extra weight to the whole panel.  My holster doesn't need a metal insert to stay open when drawn, but it's not going to remain open if I lay on it while the gun is out (something I'm not concerned with).  I designed this to be comfortable, and it's proven to be a great holster. 
 

I was paying by the seam to have that made, so I made it in a way that I could achieve the desired goal without multiples of stitches and forming operations.  That hem was wet formed around the gun under vacuum, then when dried the back was glued and later sewn by another contractor. Doesn't everyone have a vacuum pump?

[Josh Ashman]

Jim,

I was just being a smart ass. The picture you took was hard to see exactly what was going on, but I had gathered the general intent. Not sure why you'd be concerned with weight on leather when you're packing a double stack 45, but as you mentioned earlier, we all value different things.

Good for you for making a unique design that you like and that has worked well for you. It'd be easy for me to give a critique on your actual leather working skills based on what I could make out in the pictures, but I don't see a reason to. You like what you built, so that's awesome. 

With a little practice you can hand sew a holster in about 30 minutes. It takes 2 needles, an awl and some thread. If you suck at hand sewing you can still do it in under an hour. 

I don't have a vacuum pump.

Have a good evening folks, 

Josh

 

[JimTimber]

I guess I value my hours more than you do.  I paid $12 for all the sewing on that rig.  First holster ever.  Think about that and then shove your smug attitude up your rear.  What you can't seem to grasp is that I never mentioned you, your work, anything - hell, I didn't even know you existed before you started coming after me because I have an unfavorable opinion about the design attributes about something you seem to take great pride in making.

You can build a Yugo with Swiss precision and you're still left with a Yugo.

[chiefjason]

8 hours ago, Josh Ashman said:

ChiefJason, I'm happy that you're doing so well with the flat backed holsters. Some of us are just as happy and proud of our holsters that aren't flat backed. 

 

You should be.  There are guys out there that want them and someone has to get them a nice rig.  Like JLS, and most on here probably, I started out making what I liked and mostly still do.  And I've drug a lot of people down that same path with me.  

And I'm not claiming to invent anything, that's for sure.  Well, I may have come close a time or two.  lol  I do have an odd looking single clip IWB holster that I can't recall seeing anything similar.  And then there is that S&W 500 Beast.  Anywhoo.  I got the idea for the flat back holsters from a conversation with Red Nichols on DC.  After a couple replies back and forth I started tinkering with it.  Once I got the idea right in my head and on the leather I ran with it.  

IMO, holsters are like shoes.  Everyone wants something different, or for a different reason.  I do hybrid and leather but HATE full kydex.  Just can't stomach the idea of making one anymore, and I actually wear one daily that I made a long time ago.  It fits a purpose for me so I use it.  But I hate making them.  I don't bash the material or usefulness, it's just personal.  I have a list of makers in my head, when a customer asks for something I don't or won't do I send them to someone else.  If they want what I'm making, great.  If they don't, best to point them to someone that I consider good at doing what they want.  Sent a returning customer a list of makers a few weeks ago when he wanted a full kydex IWB rig.  I could lay out my case for why 1/8" difference in total outside dimension really will not make a difference, or help him find what he's looking for.  My guess is he'll be back when he wants another OWB leather holster so it's all good.  

[usmc0341]

14 hours ago, JLSleather said:

Agreed   People were making quality leather long before I was born, and likely will continue after I'm gone.

Just so I've said it, when I referred to "name dropping", I wasn't referring to you.  But, I'm not intending any offense or taking any.  Nothing on this site worth all that anyway.

I do / did try to be of some use to the 'new guy', but honestly I don't gain or lose anything by doing it, or feel the obligation to do it.

I realize you were referring to me JLS.  The only reason I name dropped was because it was pointed out that Sam Andrews does flat back holsters like somehow he is the only holstermaker out there so that must be the correct way.  I was simply pointing out that there are more holster makers that make the 50/50 holster, and that if it was such a flawed design those maker's wouldn't be where they are today.

12 hours ago, JimTimber said:

I guess I value my hours more than you do.  I paid $12 for all the sewing on that rig.  First holster ever.  Think about that and then shove your smug attitude up your rear.  What you can't seem to grasp is that I never mentioned you, your work, anything - hell, I didn't even know you existed before you started coming after me because I have an unfavorable opinion about the design attributes about something you seem to take great pride in making.

You can build a Yugo with Swiss precision and you're still left with a Yugo.

For someone that just joined a month ago you could use a bit of manners.  I love this forum because it doesn't typically have name calling and attitudes during a discussion.  Josh Ashman has been a member here a long time and has contributed a lot.  Respect goes a long way.

[JLSleather]

1 minute ago, usmc0341 said:

I realize you were referring to me JLS.  

Not true. Actually I was referring to that whole zoo that occurred on teh first page of this thread.

 

2 minutes ago, usmc0341 said:

there are more holster makers that make the 50/50 holster, and that if it was such a flawed design those maker's wouldn't be where they are today.

This isn't true, either.  That's what I was talking about the pet rock -- because something SOLD does not make it GOOD.  Unlike what you hear, actually 6 million people CAN be wrong

 

So, to be clear here.. I don't care what holster a guy makes, or even IF a guy makes them. I'm only replying here to let you know that what I said did not refer to you.

[JLSleather]

I suppose I could list some patterns for sale NOT 50/50, but it does seem like there should be a charge for being the only one doing that.  Gotta wonder if there would even be a market for that -- if people complain about the cost of a blue gun, maybe they aren't interested in that, either.

Well, maybe just won't worry about it, since it's far from the original posts in this thread