Boriqua Report post Posted February 25, 2016 Dont post in this section often because I am still trying to get from "average" to "show off" worthy. Not there yet but I'll keep try'in! White Lizard w white stitching. Yea maybe not for everyone ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon P Report post Posted February 26, 2016 I like it!!! Very clean work! Jp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plinkercases Report post Posted February 26, 2016 very cool. Nice touch stopping the stich on the inside of the loop slots.... other than style was there a reason? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLSleather Report post Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Different, but I LIKE this! I might have personally tried the white stitching around the inlay also, but that would have been a MISTAKE .. MUCH nicer this way! Oh, and yes --- there is a REASON for the stitch design, BEYOND cosmetic. Edited February 26, 2016 by JLSleather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snubbyfan Report post Posted February 26, 2016 Looks show off worthy to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youri Report post Posted February 26, 2016 I like that black and white style! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plinkercases Report post Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) JLSLeather... I understand why the stich around the slot but why does it not connect to the outer stitch line at the top edge of the holster (other than cosmetic)? You seem to know so...? share please? Edited February 26, 2016 by plinkercases Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLSleather Report post Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Well, I can just say why I do it... and someone else's reasoning may be a bit different or not. Largely it's about strength and structure. As a rule, best to use as few and as small holes as reason allows. So first thing, continuing the stitching up to the "main" line doesn't gain anything at all -- you're just putting holes in for nothing (other than some might like the look of the continuous line). And, any time you put a row of stitching across something you weaken it along that line. This is not reserved for leather people and should be obvious to about everyone. Examples? Take a piece of kydex... lay in flat on the table, hanging over the table. Push down on the sides to break it over the edge of the table. Just wants to flex, right? Now, take your utility knife and score the top. Now try to flex that same piece and it snaps... right down that line.. Plywood or lumber the same way. When your fishing line breaks, vast majority of the time it breaks AT THE KNOT (and when it doesn't, usually becomes clear there was some other defect in the line). Even steel shafts are made with a groove cut in them, so in the even that it breaks, it breaks AT the groove. I could go on .... but since it weakens the finished product and adds nothing, no point. Oh, and don't forget it's already weaker in that area because of the slot itself. Same is true at the "bottom" end where it DOES join the outside stitch line. The line is angled into the stitch line so that it's not a continuous line with the outside stitch OR the row inside the slots. It 'breaks' this straight-line problem. When I draw these, I aim at having the line join the outside stitch line at a right angle, or close to that. On boriqua's rig, that looks a LOT like one of my designs, but he has altered the front to allow the slots to be parallel (nice touch by the way) and here's the good part... he moved the stitch line "joint" accordingly (sue weet). And last AND this is the least important reason for the 'style'.... it's quick. Everybody will find their own way of doing it. And we've probably all seen some things done we liked, and some we didn't, and adapted our own style frm those things. So, here's a pic thingie with maybe some of what I think ... Edited February 26, 2016 by JLSleather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLSleather Report post Posted February 26, 2016 So, obviously, either of these weakens the assembly. In the end, I usually stitch these like shown. Not that it matters, I just find it quick and smooth to go this way WHEN POSSIBLE. Start at the blue dot, and backstitch a few stitches to the joint in the stitch lines (blue arrow). Then change direction, and follow the red arrows back around to the joint, turn and go up along the slot, and backstitch (blue). On the right side (leading edge of holster) same thing, but I start up along the slot, backstitch (blue) and go around (red), backstitch on outside (blue). One MORE advantage of doing it this way, FYI.... the holes with the double stitching will end up under the belt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boriqua Report post Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) On boriqua's rig, that looks a LOT like one of my designs, but he has altered the front to allow the slots to be parallel (nice touch by the way) and here's the good part... he moved the stitch line "joint" accordingly (sue weet). I make no bones about it ... it was influenced by your design! Hey If I am going to incorporate new ideas into my leather work I am going to copy ones from holsters I respect and admire. Im no fool! I have used your commander pattern as is and have made it with the bottom just a scootch wider. You are MORE than generous to have offered up those patterns for free and anyone that hasnt gotten one yet is foolish not to check them out. Your one of the people who make this site awesome and I have in turn given away some of my own hard earned patterns to others here to try. I never used to put a stitch line to the inside of the belt slot or encapsulate the belt slot in any way. I figured the glue and stitch along the mold would suffice but I had an instance where I did a lined holster and you just dont get the kind of bond smooth side to smooth side even if you sand that you do when gluing flesh to flesh and after wet mold I could see the layers had shifted some. A tiny amount but they were no longer even in the belt slot and it bothered me. A few minutes sanding and it was fixed but now I had a bug in my head and looked around to see how others were handling it. I have been a builder guy for my entire adult life and after looking at tons of pictures I saw how and why you did what you did in your pattern I said .. Wala ... got it. So I did a couple from your pattern as is and now I want to get back to my pattern ... version 2. here is one from a few years back Its a little wider from end of ear to end of ear which I found for some of the heavier guns displaces the weight some. I find that my wider American brothers have liked the slightly wider profile too. So the white lizard is the first shot of combining what I garnered from your design but now putting back in some of the width and curviness of my original patterns. I think i have one more refinement in my next one but I will see how it works out before I mention it. Thank you again for being so generous with your knowledge and I hope to be able to provide as much for anyone else here. Alex Edited February 26, 2016 by Boriqua Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boriqua Report post Posted February 26, 2016 So, obviously, either of these weakens the assembly. a1.gifa2.gifa3.gif In the end, I usually stitch these like shown. Not that it matters, I just find it quick and smooth to go this way WHEN POSSIBLE. Start at the blue dot, and backstitch a few stitches to the joint in the stitch lines (blue arrow). Then change direction, and follow the red arrows back around to the joint, turn and go up along the slot, and backstitch (blue). On the right side (leading edge of holster) same thing, but I start up along the slot, backstitch (blue) and go around (red), backstitch on outside (blue). One MORE advantage of doing it this way, FYI.... the holes with the double stitching will end up under the belt a4.gif I dig what you are saying about the back stitch being under the belt which I would certainly prefer aesthetically but here was my thinking. I wanted to encapsulate the belt slot with the strongest part of the stitch which is the unbroken line of stitching. so I head down the inside but then up and around so my stitch goes completely around the slot. I figure the points that will see the most pulling tugging stretching and rubbing will be at the belt slot so I wanted it virginal so I gave up a yard in aesthetic and figured my back stitch would be out of harms way just below the joint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLSleather Report post Posted February 26, 2016 Prolly should get doing SOME work today, .. just poppin' in ta say that "my wider American brothers" is hilarious, and your holster ABSOLUTELY belongs in "show off". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigdim Report post Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Looks great to me! Thanks for the education as well. I had not even thought about the angles that the stitching lines intersect at or leaving some areas without stitching to prevent weakening the end product. Me and the wife are going to be setting up our leather work bench in the basement tomorrow. Finally going to start working with leather next week... I will be posting things in the Critique my work section. Aaron Edited February 26, 2016 by Tigdim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plinkercases Report post Posted February 27, 2016 JLS thank you very much for passing on your thinking and technique. And Boriqua your work definitely belongs here. Thanks guys for the inspiration and education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toney Report post Posted February 29, 2016 Very nice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SLP Report post Posted March 2, 2016 Where do you find white lizard hide? That is really cool! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boriqua Report post Posted March 2, 2016 Where do you find white lizard hide? That is really cool! Do a search for monitor lizard on ebay but shop around. I have seen a fair price difference. I dont think I paid more than 20 bucks for it and it was about 18" by 12" so depending on how you use it you can do a lot of projects with it. Be sure to get one that is not glazed. It sucks up dye and holds it so you can make whatever colors you want and then just seal it with resolene after. I have an idea for dyeing some yellow for a bag project. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SLP Report post Posted March 2, 2016 Thank you Boriqua! I really appreciate the help. I'll look around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarhead44706 Report post Posted April 18, 2016 That's A Really Nice Looking Holster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chiefjason Report post Posted April 18, 2016 Nice rig. Made one similar a while back. Definitely different looking, which was what the guy wanted. I think Springfield has some too, mine came in a scrap bag. About the biggest piece I've seen come in one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SLP Report post Posted December 30, 2016 I still look back at this holster every now and then. I still love it. I will definitely be stealing this design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boriqua Report post Posted December 30, 2016 1 hour ago, SLP said: I still look back at this holster every now and then. I still love it. I will definitely be stealing this design. Man you haven't made it yet!? I think I turned you on to suppliers months ago. of course not everyone is a leather bum like I am and has nothing to do but make things ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SLP Report post Posted January 3, 2017 On 12/30/2016 at 2:32 PM, Boriqua said: Man you haven't made it yet!? I think I turned you on to suppliers months ago. of course not everyone is a leather bum like I am and has nothing to do but make things ... Just recently moved, and I've been doing mostly custom orders. I haven't made much time for my own projects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasJack Report post Posted January 4, 2017 Very nice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boriqua Report post Posted January 4, 2017 23 hours ago, SLP said: Just recently moved, and I've been doing mostly custom orders. I haven't made much time for my own projects. Yea .. Im still working on a wallet for myself... Its only been 2 yrs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
