Contributing Member JLSleather Posted June 27, 2016 Contributing Member Report Posted June 27, 2016 FYI FYI FYI FYI Just off the phone with HO. Hermann Oak "A" grade SIDES currently running $7.66 per foot, making whole sides about $190 U.S. Hermann Oak "A" grade BACKS (no belly leather) currently running $9.11 per foot, or about $175 U.S. I say "about" prices because depends on actual footage of the piece... sides about 25 ft and backs about 19 ft. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted June 27, 2016 Author Contributing Member Report Posted June 27, 2016 Not sure why this posted twice. I only called them once Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members OLDNSLOW Posted June 27, 2016 Members Report Posted June 27, 2016 What is the minimum to order at that price? Gotta have a katch ta git it at that price range? Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted June 27, 2016 Author Contributing Member Report Posted June 27, 2016 Minumum 10 sides of all one weight, or 20 sides you can mix and match weights. I got more than one letter about price hikes, so I called to verify current pricing. Course, if you'll use the leather, it's a no-brainer. 10 backs is $1730 plus UPS charges ($150-ish) for "about" 190 sqft ($9.11 x 19ft x 10). Now, some can tout "free shipping", but it's easy to say 'free shipping' when they're charging you $500 MORE for the same amount of leather and sending something worse than "B". So, I think the "catch" is what you get by NOT ordering at the tannery Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
MADMAX22 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Posted June 28, 2016 Same thing with WC, either way if you can swing it order from the tannery. Every place I have scene with the exception of getting rid of old stock (probably low grade hides or returns) your going to pay 30-60 dollars more per hide no matter who it is. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted June 28, 2016 Author Contributing Member Report Posted June 28, 2016 Yep. I mention it here, in an attempt to help a guy out. Lots and lots of "suppliers" running around who have no qualms at all about climbing up your back, while whispering in your ear what a favor they're doing you. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members nrk Posted July 10, 2016 Members Report Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) On 6/27/2016 at 7:06 PM, JLSleather said: FYI FYI FYI FYI Just off the phone with HO. Hermann Oak "A" grade SIDES currently running $7.66 per foot, making whole sides about $190 U.S. Hermann Oak "A" grade BACKS (no belly leather) currently running $9.11 per foot, or about $175 U.S. I say "about" prices because depends on actual footage of the piece... sides about 25 ft and backs about 19 ft. JLSleather but that looks pretty much as the prices they had before u'r message, no? Edited July 10, 2016 by nrk Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 10, 2016 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 10, 2016 13 minutes ago, nrk said: JLSleather but that looks pretty much as the prices they had before u'r message, no? YES - that's my point. I got emails about prices going up, but emails were not FROM H.O. A number of suppliers "around here" raising prices (again!). Sometimes they bump up the price. Sometimes they downgrade the quality or the grade of the leather, but charge the same, so they get a "price increase" without looking like it to the untrained customer. SO to be clear .... Hermann Oak has NOT had a price increase. The reason I add "For Your Information" is because it is just that - information. I'm just letting people know where and how to get the best leather you can get - delivered to your door - for about $185 each (no belly leather). H.O. "B" grade backs (no belly) running $9 / foot. Add the shipping, and it's at $10/foot (19 feet for $185). And it really IS "B" grade. So, WHY would anyone want to pay $12/ft, when you can get BETTER leather for $10/foot?#@#@!! This is a 25% MARKUP on the LITTLE GUY price (and don't kid yourself, they're brokering a MUCH better deal). Even with the "free shipping" some yelp about, you're still paying $2 per foot MORE for leather that isn't as good. I have certainly received sides from "suppliers" which were NOT "B" hides, though that's what they were calling it. Sometimes, I find a good deal, or a good idea, and pass it on to other folks around here. But it's just information. If for ANY reason people prefer to pay more money to buy lower quality, not up to me Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members nrk Posted July 11, 2016 Members Report Posted July 11, 2016 9 hours ago, JLSleather said: YES - that's my point. I got emails about prices going up, but emails were not FROM H.O. A number of suppliers "around here" raising prices (again!). Sometimes they bump up the price. Sometimes they downgrade the quality or the grade of the leather, but charge the same, so they get a "price increase" without looking like it to the untrained customer. SO to be clear .... Hermann Oak has NOT had a price increase. The reason I add "For Your Information" is because it is just that - information. I'm just letting people know where and how to get the best leather you can get - delivered to your door - for about $185 each (no belly leather). H.O. "B" grade backs (no belly) running $9 / foot. Add the shipping, and it's at $10/foot (19 feet for $185). And it really IS "B" grade. So, WHY would anyone want to pay $12/ft, when you can get BETTER leather for $10/foot?#@#@!! This is a 25% MARKUP on the LITTLE GUY price (and don't kid yourself, they're brokering a MUCH better deal). Even with the "free shipping" some yelp about, you're still paying $2 per foot MORE for leather that isn't as good. I have certainly received sides from "suppliers" which were NOT "B" hides, though that's what they were calling it. Sometimes, I find a good deal, or a good idea, and pass it on to other folks around here. But it's just information. If for ANY reason people prefer to pay more money to buy lower quality, not up to me copied. it's always better to order directly from source(tannery)- if the budget is on hands )) Quote
bikermutt07 Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 Thanks Jeff. I can totally see buying in bulk from the tannery over paying retail for lesser grades. But as a hobbyist my wife would shoot me if I spent 2 grand on dead cows. So I'll be paying that retail price one hide at a time. Quote I'm not paying 80 bucks for a belt!!! It's a strip of leather. How hard could it be? 4 years and 3 grand later.... I have a belt I can finally live with. Stitching is like gravy, it's only great if you make it every day. From Texas but in Bossier City, Louisiana.
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 11, 2016 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 11, 2016 If she does the grocery, she'll understand. Tell her you aren't going to drink a gallon of milk today, so you've decided to just buy one or two of those little cartons from teh school lunch menu, which cost as much for 4 as that whole gallon she's "wasting' money on Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 11, 2016 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 11, 2016 Oh, boy.. this does bring back a point I've tried to make more than once. Finished goods are often priced by some "formula" involving cost of materials. So, if someone buys "B" or "C" leather at $12/foot, is there finished item then worth 20% MORE than the person who bought GOOD leather at $10/foot? OR, (and this gets MY vote) should leather goods (and about anything else) be 'judged' based on the quality of what it actually is made of, and the quality of the work in it? Compare, compare, compare ... Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
bikermutt07 Posted July 11, 2016 Report Posted July 11, 2016 I think she would be proud for me to buy milk in 1/2 pints over 10 hides. Also, remember I'm just a lowly hobbyist having fun. Quote I'm not paying 80 bucks for a belt!!! It's a strip of leather. How hard could it be? 4 years and 3 grand later.... I have a belt I can finally live with. Stitching is like gravy, it's only great if you make it every day. From Texas but in Bossier City, Louisiana.
MADMAX22 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Posted July 12, 2016 On 7/10/2016 at 6:51 PM, bikermutt07 said: Thanks Jeff. I can totally see buying in bulk from the tannery over paying retail for lesser grades. But as a hobbyist my wife would shoot me if I spent 2 grand on dead cows. So I'll be paying that retail price one hide at a time. You can buy single hides from WC, Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 12, 2016 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 12, 2016 Yep, and W/C got good stuff, too... not just marking up somebody else's low end stuff. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
bikermutt07 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Posted July 12, 2016 6 hours ago, MADMAX22 said: You can buy single hides from WC, Cool. Thanks guys. Quote I'm not paying 80 bucks for a belt!!! It's a strip of leather. How hard could it be? 4 years and 3 grand later.... I have a belt I can finally live with. Stitching is like gravy, it's only great if you make it every day. From Texas but in Bossier City, Louisiana.
Members nrk Posted July 14, 2016 Members Report Posted July 14, 2016 On 7/12/2016 at 7:51 AM, JLSleather said: Yep, and W/C got good stuff, too... not just marking up somebody else's low end stuff. that's true. seems that i will go for WC leather directly, rather than 'not mentioned ' supplier lol Quote
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