Members Pattern Posted January 31, 2017 Members Report Posted January 31, 2017 I a first timer and am making a new double layer belt, each layer being 8/9 oz leather making a total thickness 15-19 oz. I do not have a sewing machine and the thought of hand sewing the belt is less than ideal. I would like to know if anyone has experience with using just glue only. I planned on using either Gorrelia or a barge all purpose rubber cement that cobblers use for shoe repair. I will use this belt as a daily item to carry a 1911 or assortment of N frame revolvers and for the 2017 IPSC season. Thank you Quote
Troy I Posted January 31, 2017 Report Posted January 31, 2017 I always glue and sew...I would be afraid that the glue would not hold up very well with all the flexing that a belt is put through, while being worn. Quote TroyImler's LeatherBentonville, VA 22610 http://www.ebay.com/usr/imlers_leather
Members sideforce Posted January 31, 2017 Members Report Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Troy I said: I always glue and sew...I would be afraid that the glue would not hold up very well with all the flexing that a belt is put through, while being worn. I agree with Troy I. Glue is used to hold the parts together for sewing. The thread is what holds the item together through the abuse of use. Quote
Members Mattsbagger Posted January 31, 2017 Members Report Posted January 31, 2017 If you punch with stitching chisel should only take 2 to 3 hrs. I did 2 belt this weekend. Hands and wrist a bit sore but doable.lol Quote
Members CaptQuirk Posted January 31, 2017 Members Report Posted January 31, 2017 I gotta agree with everybody else, particularly Matt. Does it suck? Hell yeah! When its all done, is it worth it? Well, yeah... it looks great, and it certainly isn't going to fall apart. Are you going to ever get all those hours back? Nope. Best thing you can do, is plan ahead, line up several movies, podcasts, or music, get munchies, use a 10 stitch chisel, and settle in for a while. Once you get all the holes punched, it is all down hill By the way Matt, 2-3 hours? Seriously? You need to get off the crank dude, it's not good for you Quote
Members Josh Ashman Posted January 31, 2017 Members Report Posted January 31, 2017 Like everybody else my suggestion is to glue and stitch. I would also recommend using contact cement instead of rubber cement. Barge or Masters are the 2 brands I use most often although I know a lot of people use Weldwood and have good results. One option, if you really don't want to bother with stitching it is to find a local shoe repair shop, saddle shop or holster maker and see if you can hire them to sew it for you. Another option would be to use heavy skirting (14/16 oz) and just make a single layer belt. It wouldn't be as resistant to stretching as a doubled and stitched belt but I believe it would be better than a doubled belt that was just glued. Good luck with your belt. Josh Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted January 31, 2017 Contributing Member Report Posted January 31, 2017 Glue is good 'n'' firm, but not as "permanent" as thread. You likely could wear a belt "glued only" for a good long while without problems, but honestly when I hear "N-frame" I'm thinking stitch Plus, it's good to agree with Josh ↑ rawt cheer Good tip on teh saddle shop / hirin' it done, too. The last one in these parts closed a couple years ago, so I hadn't thought of that. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members Mattsbagger Posted January 31, 2017 Members Report Posted January 31, 2017 27 minutes ago, CaptQuirk said: I gotta agree with everybody else, particularly Matt. Does it suck? Hell yeah! When its all done, is it worth it? Well, yeah... it looks great, and it certainly isn't going to fall apart. Are you going to ever get all those hours back? Nope. Best thing you can do, is plan ahead, line up several movies, podcasts, or music, get munchies, use a 10 stitch chisel, and settle in for a while. Once you get all the holes punched, it is all down hill By the way Matt, 2-3 hours? Seriously? You need to get off the crank dude, it's not good for you Well that's 2 to 3 hrs each. Plus 1/2 each to punch the holes.lol Quote
Members Mattsbagger Posted January 31, 2017 Members Report Posted January 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, JLSleather said: Glue is good 'n'' firm, but not as "permanent" as thread. You likely could wear a belt "glued only" for a good long while without problems, but honestly when I hear "N-frame" I'm thinking stitch Plus, it's good to agree with Josh ↑ rawt cheer Good tip on teh saddle shop / hirin' it done, too. The last one in these parts closed a couple years ago, so I hadn't thought of that. In one of my Stohlman books he says to make sure your work is good and clean if taking it somewhere to have it machine stitched. So I guess it's an old idea that most don't think about anymore. A Sideline for you Jeff? Lol Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted January 31, 2017 Contributing Member Report Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Mattsbagger said: In one of my Stohlman books he says to make sure your work is good and clean if taking it somewhere to have it machine stitched. So I guess it's an old idea that most don't think about anymore. A Sideline for you Jeff? Lol Nah... wrong guy. I tried to buy a couple Landis stitchers when that place closed -- offered 'em $5k just for the machines. Short version is, the guy became ill and his nephew and daughters basically robbed the guy... I don't think he saw much of the money, and I don't think those machines went to someone who could use 'em. I mean real stitchers.. staple a guy to the floor if'n he aint watchin'. Not this piece of cobra I'm making work out of shear determination Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
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