Members Sledzep01 Posted January 15, 2018 Members Report Posted January 15, 2018 I read the other thread about the 301 and 401. Nobody liked it for leather. Is that because of he type of leather you use. So, I don't even know how to sew yet, I want to be able to sew some jeans, light canvas, and leather from couches and coats together occasionally It is a hobby, I do not have a business, Hell I only just made my first stitching pony a week ago... So will kit really not sew leather from an old couch onto some jeans. If it can do what these videos show I would be happy. It will probably cost me under $75 video 1 video 2 Quote Remember, Whether you think you can, or think you can't. You're Right! Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Involve me and I understand. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 15, 2018 Moderator Report Posted January 15, 2018 That machine is fine for hobby/household sewing. It is certainly not a leather stitcher, per say. I wouldn't use it to sew any leather items for sale to customers. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Yetibelle Posted January 15, 2018 Members Report Posted January 15, 2018 The Singer 301, 401a and 500a are decent machines, pick the 401a if you have the option. Yes they are home machines and not walking foot leather machines, but they are a the last batch of Singer machines made with metal parts. They are the first group of Singer machines to take the standard 15 needle, so you can get leather point needles at the fabric store and regular sewing thread and start to practice. The down side is, your using regular thread and needles, so you wont be sewing very thick or hard leather. If you have some time and a little more cash, look for a Singer 111 machine. They can be found from $200-$500 and are a true leather machine and a great machine to learn sewing leather on. Quote One day I hope to learn how to sew..... Singer 111W155 - Singer 29-4 - Singer 78-1 - Singer 7-31 - Singer 109w100 - Singer 46W-SV-16 - Adler 20-19 - Cowboy CB-4500
Members rodneywt1180b Posted January 15, 2018 Members Report Posted January 15, 2018 The Singer 401 A is a good machine. One of the last really good domestic sewing machines Singer made. All metal construction except one fiber gear. I don't recall anyone having trouble with that gear though. It's not intended for thick leather or a steady diet of leather. You can probably get away with garment weight leather occasionally. It uses Class 66 bobbins and 15x1 needles that are available pretty much everywhere. If you get it, make sure it sews first. They can be a little finicky to work on. They do decorative stitches and have a good range of built in stitches plus cams for even more. You can download an instruction book from Singer's website if it doesn't have one. I think having the book handy is necessary for that machine. The controls aren't that intuitive. I don't think any household machine is great for leather. You're looking at smaller thread sizes and smaller stitch lengths than you can get on a leather machine. If you're stuck with looking at domestic machines I would recommend looking for a Singer 66, 15, or 201. They're all good machines, straight stitch only and sturdier than any zigzag model. All of them use 15x1 needles. Another choice would be an old White Rotary. They're heavily built for a domestic machine and on par with Singer for quality. Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 15, 2018 Moderator Report Posted January 15, 2018 For a while I was selling refurbished old iron body Singer sewing machines. The only ones I found suitable for sewing belt thickness leather were the models 27, 127, 28 and 128. They have tricky bobbins to wind, but easily handle #69 bonded thread, due to their oscillating bullet shuttle design. Any of these models could sew 5 stitches per inch into 9 ounces of bridle leather due to the aggressive teeth on the feed dogs. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Sledzep01 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Members Report Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Wizcrafts said: For a while I was selling refurbished old iron body Singer sewing machines. The only ones I found suitable for sewing belt thickness leather were the models 27, 127, 28 and 128. They have tricky bobbins to wind, but easily handle #69 bonded thread, due to their oscillating bullet shuttle design. Any of these models could sew 5 stitches per inch into 9 ounces of bridle leather due to the aggressive teeth on the feed dogs. so they would just be singer 127... not 127### or something? How old are these models, will they be one of those cool looking old black ones? How about the white rotary? I am on shopgoodwill.com and see some of these. There a million machines there in general White rotary singer Edited January 16, 2018 by Sledzep01 Quote Remember, Whether you think you can, or think you can't. You're Right! Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Involve me and I understand. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins
Members Sledzep01 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Members Report Posted January 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Yetibelle said: The Singer 301, 401a and 500a are decent machines, pick the 401a if you have the option. Yes they are home machines and not walking foot leather machines, but they are a the last batch of Singer machines made with metal parts. They are the first group of Singer machines to take the standard 15 needle, so you can get leather point needles at the fabric store and regular sewing thread and start to practice. The down side is, your using regular thread and needles, so you wont be sewing very thick or hard leather. If you have some time and a little more cash, look for a Singer 111 machine. They can be found from $200-$500 and are a true leather machine and a great machine to learn sewing leather on. I see a Black 301, the 401a, and a 500a. All look metal on the outside... What about Pfaff?? 301 500a Quote Remember, Whether you think you can, or think you can't. You're Right! Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Involve me and I understand. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins
Members Sledzep01 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Members Report Posted January 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Yetibelle said: The Singer 301, 401a and 500a are decent machines, pick the 401a if you have the option. Yes they are home machines and not walking foot leather machines, but they are a the last batch of Singer machines made with metal parts. They are the first group of Singer machines to take the standard 15 needle, so you can get leather point needles at the fabric store and regular sewing thread and start to practice. The down side is, your using regular thread and needles, so you wont be sewing very thick or hard leather. If you have some time and a little more cash, look for a Singer 111 machine. They can be found from $200-$500 and are a true leather machine and a great machine to learn sewing leather on. Sorry to be a pest I only need forward and reverse, do the other 2 i linked to accept stronger tread and needles? Quote Remember, Whether you think you can, or think you can't. You're Right! Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Involve me and I understand. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins
Members Constabulary Posted January 16, 2018 Members Report Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Sledzep01 said: video 1 Quote His commend on YT: The difference is my restorative and service process, which gives the machine unprecedented strength and burst Must be an amazing and very secret process. I´m sure they are using some miracle "outer space" sewing machine oil too. WHAT A JOKE - this very thin needle (#90 metric) OF COURSE will "punch through" the shown leather and almost any type of fabric - most likely even double the thickens. But this has nothing to do with how well this machine is set up by the seller or what ever. That's plain ans simple physics - A very thin needles combined with a very thin thread will punch through this OF COURSE like nothing. Guess why your Doc is using a very thin needle with his syringe and not a 1.4mm one. But try this machine with a 140 (22) needle with 30 (138) thread which is approx the lower end of thread and needle combination being used for sewing this type of leather "under real life conditions" f.i. when sewing a proper leather belt - it will not work. or try to sell a belt which is sewn with a #90 needle and #50 thread (metric) - not that it only looks stupid and the seam has a very low breaking strength - almost any customer would point you a finger when he is looking at that belt - I bet. This machine will not ne able to handle a 140 needle with 138 thread. Talking some bla bla while shooting a video with a short piece of thick leather and producing serious leather goods is a whole different thing. Years ago I have killed 2 domestic machines until I figured / understood what it really means when people are taking about domestic and industrial sewing machines. And by far not all industrial sewing machines are meant to sew leather with - weight of a machine has nothing to do with its ability to sew leather / producing leather goods. 16 hours ago, Yetibelle said: If you have some time and a little more cash, look for a Singer 111 machine. They can be found from $200-$500 and are a true leather machine and a great machine to learn sewing leather on. So right! Edited January 16, 2018 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Sledzep01 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Members Report Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) I see 2 singer 241 near me on tables, one is black and says 241-12 Listed as that but says consew on plaque in pics The other is grey and justmsaysn241 Any info on these?? the 241=12 is $200 and close, the grey 241 is $250 and is further away, looks newer and comes with hundreds of needles and bobbins. and some thread Can the grey one be easily removed from the table for transport?? I read the 241-12 article here and fear the oil on needle thing. will the grey one be the same?? Sled Edited January 16, 2018 by Sledzep01 Quote Remember, Whether you think you can, or think you can't. You're Right! Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Involve me and I understand. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins
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