Members carmela Posted January 21, 2019 Members Report Posted January 21, 2019 Also wondering if the Giardini dense base coat was tried and worked as a Filler? I was planning to buy that along with the dense edge paint as an alternative to Fiebings. I would try the caulk but I'm using many unique leather colors ( reds, blues, greens, yellows, orange, brown, salmon, purple ) so mixing up batches of edge paint keeps me busy enough. I would love to find a way to make the edges stay together throughout the entire process and not start popping apart in sections after I sew them. I thought it was Barge - maybe I got an old batch from Amazon so I tried the newer version but the same thing happened. I then tried Fiebings and the latest glue I tried and still using after reading about it on the Forum is Aquilim 315 ( from Sorrell Notions & Findings). I love the glue ( odorless ) and definitely comparable to Barge. ( no more Barge headaches or dragging my folding tables outside to glue ) big process improvement! Thank you Leatherworker Forum! Now I am really hoping to figure out a solution to my current problem. I clamp gussets to handbag body right after the glue sets up and sit overnight clamped up and then I remove clamps as I sew ( using cowboy 4500 - cylinder machine) In some sections seams are together but in many small section they are seperated. Tomorrow I plan to try different leather to see if I get the same thing. I appreciate any ideas as a way to fill in the gaps along the edge. Sincerely xoxo Quote
Members carmela Posted January 21, 2019 Members Report Posted January 21, 2019 Also wondering if the Giardini dense base coat was tried and worked as a Filler? I was planning to buy that along with the dense edge paint as an alternative to Fiebings. I would try the caulk but I'm using many unique leather colors ( reds, blues, greens, yellows, orange, brown, salmon, purple ) so mixing up batches of edge paint keeps me busy enough. I would love to find a way to make the edges stay together throughout the entire process and not start popping apart in sections after I sew them. I thought it was Barge - maybe I got an old batch from Amazon so I tried the newer version but the same thing happened. I then tried Fiebings and the latest glue I tried and still using after reading about it on the Forum is Aquilim 315 ( from Sorrell Notions & Findings). I love the glue ( odorless ) and definitely comparable to Barge. ( no more Barge headaches or dragging my folding tables outside to glue ) big process improvement! Thank you Leatherworker Forum! Now I am really hoping to figure out a solution to my current problem. I clamp gussets to handbag body right after the glue sets up and sit overnight clamped up and then I remove clamps as I sew ( using cowboy 4500 - cylinder machine) In some sections seams are together but in many small section they are seperated. Tomorrow I plan to try different leather to see if I get the same thing. I appreciate any ideas as a way to fill in the gaps along the edge. Sincerely xoxo Quote
Members carmela Posted January 21, 2019 Members Report Posted January 21, 2019 Also wondering if the Giardini dense base coat was tried and worked as a Filler? I was planning to buy that along with the dense edge paint as an alternative to Fiebings. I would try the caulk but I'm using many unique leather colors ( reds, blues, greens, yellows, orange, brown, salmon, purple ) so mixing up batches of edge paint keeps me busy enough. I would love to find a way to make the edges stay together throughout the entire process and not start popping apart in sections after I sew them. I thought it was Barge - maybe I got an old batch from Amazon so I tried the newer version but the same thing happened. I then tried Fiebings and the latest glue I tried and still using after reading about it on the Forum is Aquilim 315 ( from Sorrell Notions & Findings). I love the glue ( odorless ) and definitely comparable to Barge. ( no more Barge headaches or dragging my folding tables outside to glue ) big process improvement! Thank you Leatherworker Forum! Now I am really hoping to figure out a solution to my current problem. I clamp gussets to handbag body right after the glue sets up and sit overnight clamped up and then I remove clamps as I sew ( using cowboy 4500 - cylinder machine) In some sections seams are together but in many small section they are seperated. Tomorrow I plan to try different leather to see if I get the same thing. I appreciate any ideas as a way to fill in the gaps along the edge. Sincerely xoxo Quote
Members BDAZ Posted January 21, 2019 Author Members Report Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, nrk said: if the edges separate from each other then you're doing something wrong. edge paint will do the job, unless you want the edges looks good. but you have already stated 'not looking for perfection' - this confuses If you are referring to the above post separation is due to stress on the seams after wet forming which causes stretching and stress on the seams. I can sometimes use white glue in a syringe and clamp but it's tedious. The silicone caulk wouldn't take edge paint and other types didn't bind well or have enough body to bead. Plastic wood didn't hold. maybe wood or leather white glue with powdered leather as a filler may do the job. To busy building to experiment at the moment. Bob Quote
garypl Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 Carmela, I have sewn embossed cowhide and to make edges smooth and tight, I put the edges in my vise and cranked the jaws tight. Flattened the edges for @2-3mm so I can glue them together tightly. Kept a nice closed seam after sewing. Gary Quote Cowboy 4500, Consew 206RB-4
Members BDAZ Posted January 21, 2019 Author Members Report Posted January 21, 2019 Sounds time consuming and not very economic, unless it's for hobby work. Bob Quote
RockyAussie Posted January 21, 2019 Report Posted January 21, 2019 7 hours ago, carmela said: Also wondering if the Giardini dense base coat was tried and worked as a Filler? I was planning to buy that along with the dense edge paint as an alternative to Fiebings. I would try the caulk but I'm using many unique leather colors ( reds, blues, greens, yellows, orange, brown, salmon, purple ) so mixing up batches of edge paint keeps me busy enough. I would love to find a way to make the edges stay together throughout the entire process and not start popping apart in sections after I sew them. I thought it was Barge - maybe I got an old batch from Amazon so I tried the newer version but the same thing happened. I then tried Fiebings and the latest glue I tried and still using after reading about it on the Forum is Aquilim 315 ( from Sorrell Notions & Findings). I love the glue ( odorless ) and definitely comparable to Barge. ( no more Barge headaches or dragging my folding tables outside to glue ) big process improvement! Thank you Leatherworker Forum! Now I am really hoping to figure out a solution to my current problem. I clamp gussets to handbag body right after the glue sets up and sit overnight clamped up and then I remove clamps as I sew ( using cowboy 4500 - cylinder machine) In some sections seams are together but in many small section they are seperated. Tomorrow I plan to try different leather to see if I get the same thing. I appreciate any ideas as a way to fill in the gaps along the edge. Sincerely xoxo I see lots of problems here, and having just gone through my photo collections I can not see any that can show enough to be much help. I will try and get something together over the next few days. First up for now you will find it of help if in the corner of the gusset you take out a small V section to relieve the pressure there. There should be no edging done until the pieces are put together and sanded smooth and rounded. In some cases it could be stitched first if that helps by allowing the stitch to be in from the edge enough to allow later sanding but I usually prefer to get the sanding done first and sometimes a couple of edge coats done to assist it to stay together. A tip that should help is the use of a heat gun which if used carefully will reactivate the glue and allow you to reshape and press down all the up and down wobbly bits. This can also be used to singe away some of the furry leather bits after sanding before the edge coat application. The Cowboy 4500 is most likely too large for this job a bit especially with the standard feet and throat plate. Do not try and stitch so close to the edge or your under/bobbin side will be all over the place. You may find this post of interest- I have to get some work done for now so I will try and get you some more info later. Brian Quote Wild Harry - Australian made leather goodsYouTube Channel Instagram
Members carmela Posted January 22, 2019 Members Report Posted January 22, 2019 Thank you! I will try a heat gun on my next bag. The pic of blue bag was one I tried some edge paint on prior to sewing to see if it helped tack it down or fill in gaps but it just created a wobbly edge ( I tried the V cutouts on some rounded flap bags but they were hidden on underside - I wouldn't have thought about trying on the outer edge of gusset ) I stitched further back from the edge on this gusset & need to even it up with a fresh blade & then will try the heatgun. I ordered a welt foot from my dealer Cowboy Bob at Toldeo Ind and will try piping on some bags but I prefer the edge painted look so I'm not giving up. I ordered the dense basecoat & paint from the place in Italy recommended earlier in the thread ( GIARDINI) it sounds very thick so maybe that will help. I have some thick leather ( mellowtan chap leather from Hidehouse in Nappa) that comes in many colors and looking forward to transitioning to that. I really should try sewing the gussets on the 1541 flatbed but I'm so used to 4500 and love the cylinder & reverse. Thank you for taking the time to help me. I appreciate it very much. ( PS-your leather business looks amazing- gorgeous bags & love your farm):O) Quote
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