Ideal Clicker Machine Model C

[DavidMillsSaddlery]

  On 6/5/2019 at 5:51 PM, ozziesleathers said:

Here is a manual for the Model C.

I have 3 of these clickers and have done 1/2 million clicks with them.

 

David

Ozzies Leathers

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiG1-u689LiAhUQEawKHWhUAIMQFjAAegQIAhAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.supsew.com%2Fdownload%2FUnited%20Shoe%20Machinery%2FUSC%20Ideal%20Clicking%20Machine%20Model%20C.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3XPO0JEA4j4W0vj8HaPGRs

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On plate 4 part number 947... can you show me where this goes? 

[DavidMillsSaddlery]

Is it possible for someone with this type clicker make a video of the rear flywheel rotation? So I can judge if the motor I’ve got installed is turning the flywheel fast enough! 

[DavidMillsSaddlery]

  On 5/25/2020 at 10:50 PM, JJN said:

@turbotexas

Glenn sent me a xerox copy of the instruction manual. I have not scanned the entire manual yet, but I do have some of the pages scanned that goes over the adjustments.

It is too big to upload here so here is a link.

http://johnsr.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/clicker-instructions.pdf

John

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Have you had a chance to get the rest of the manual downloaded?

i got mine running the first day, then the motor went bad...

Replaced motor, lubed well, but now it’s not putting enough downward force to cut? 
I did learn that if the pulley on the motor is too large, the speed increases, and gives you a double click! 

[ljk]

I regret not helping you more, but my model c is still in front of the box

truck which I moved to Colorado.  I have had the clicker for so many years that

I operate by muscle memory.  I can tell you that double clicking is a result

of heat built up between clutch surface and flywheel. Properly adjusted I

was able to do about 750 clicks before double clicking.  This was on

small steel rule dies. A fan on the flywheel helped on warm days.  The range

on the adjust wheel on the top was only about  4"   from stuck to not cutting.

Your machine looked like mine which had set outside in Fl. for 3 years.

You may want to invest in a Helmold steel rule bender and some 2 or 3 point

.937 die stock.  The proper way to release a stuck die is backing up the small

flywheel at the top.  I however use a 4' pipe wrench which came with machine.

There is a video on the Red Wing site a 1953 film.        good luck  lynn

 

[JJN]

  On 6/9/2020 at 1:00 PM, turbotexas said:

Have you had a chance to get the rest of the manual downloaded?

i got mine running the first day, then the motor went bad...

Replaced motor, lubed well, but now it’s not putting enough downward force to cut? 
I did learn that if the pulley on the motor is too large, the speed increases, and gives you a double click! 

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I have not scanned the complete manual. I'll try to get it done in my 'spare time'. If you have something in particular you need to see I will try to get that info to you.

I got side tracked so my clicker is not running yet. It came with a fairly new Dayton 3hp single phase 220v motor 1725 rpm. The pulley on the motor is about 6". It came with two flywheels. The  one on it currently is for a wide leather belt and is thick, smooth and heavy but it is a smaller diameter than the extra flywheel that came with it. The extra flywheel is larger diameter and has gear teeth around it for a geared motor drive and also has a groove for a v-belt.

[DavidMillsSaddlery]

  On 6/9/2020 at 9:10 PM, JJN said:

I have not scanned the complete manual. I'll try to get it done in my 'spare time'. If you have something in particular you need to see I will try to get that info to you.

I got side tracked so my clicker is not running yet. It came with a fairly new Dayton 3hp single phase 220v motor 1725 rpm. The pulley on the motor is about 6". It came with two flywheels. The  one on it currently is for a wide leather belt and is thick, smooth and heavy but it is a smaller diameter than the extra flywheel that came with it. The extra flywheel is larger diameter and has gear teeth around it for a geared motor drive and also has a groove for a v-belt.

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Well if you use the flat flywheel, the smaller the motor pulley the better... I put a 3.5” pulley in the 1725 RPM motor and it was spinning so fast, that I was getting a double click... 

move got it working for now! It would be nice to have the manual, in case I screw something else up! Lol

[DavidMillsSaddlery]

  On 6/9/2020 at 8:01 PM, ljk said:

I regret not helping you more, but my model c is still in front of the box

truck which I moved to Colorado.  I have had the clicker for so many years that

I operate by muscle memory.  I can tell you that double clicking is a result

of heat built up between clutch surface and flywheel. Properly adjusted I

was able to do about 750 clicks before double clicking.  This was on

small steel rule dies. A fan on the flywheel helped on warm days.  The range

on the adjust wheel on the top was only about  4"   from stuck to not cutting.

Your machine looked like mine which had set outside in Fl. for 3 years.

You may want to invest in a Helmold steel rule bender and some 2 or 3 point

.937 die stock.  The proper way to release a stuck die is backing up the small

flywheel at the top.  I however use a 4' pipe wrench which came with machine.

There is a video on the Red Wing site a 1953 film.        good luck  lynn

 

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Link to the video? 

[Tilda]

Hello

I am looking at potentially purchasing one of these machines.  However, it is a 3 phase and I would need to convert it to one phase.  Does anyone know the more economic way to do this.  

I know there are converters out there.  Not sure how specific they are or whether they all work the same.

Happy for any information.  I know it is in working condition, currently.

I am trying to consider what the end cost would be and whether it's worth it once it is moved and converted.

Thanks

Converting to three phase is not an option....

[JJN]

Assuming you have 220 single phase available, I would replace the motor with a new or used one with 220 single phase. The motor on mine is a Dayton 3 horsepower, 1725 rpm.

[DavidMillsSaddlery]

  On 7/19/2020 at 4:53 PM, JJN said:

Assuming you have 220 single phase available, I would replace the motor with a new or used one with 220 single phase. The motor on mine is a Dayton 3 horsepower, 1725 rpm.

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^^^What he said... Northern Tool has a motor for $179.00ish? 
even 110 volt motor should work! What I found was the pully size is really important! Too big, and the flywheel rotates too fast, and you get a double click!

i know this because o replaced the whole motor, and had a new pulley size on it!