CFM Frodo Posted March 21, 2021 CFM Report Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, billybopp said: Great stuff! @Frodois totally right - Acid flux can be nasty stuff! In the world of electronics we use rosin flux core solder that doesn't eat away at metals but it is not suitable for this application: The rosin flux isn't strong enough for this use, it just doesn't have the "cleaning power" needed. They also make acid core flux solder for plumbing which is also not the best choice for this use, there's just not enough flux there to do the job. When buying solder, the type without a core is your best choice when you're using a separate flux. Thanks @cseeger! This is great stuff. The socket trick is great. I couldn't justify the price of a doming tool, but I have sockets and a small ball peen hammer. What a find on your gold coin! And you're totally right about reading those text books. I remember them well, and your comment in the addendum made me shudder just a bit as I remembered. I'm curious, though, do you use silver solder for your jewelry pieces? It has a considerably higher melting point, but tends to make a really strong bond. - Bill Harris O , is what I use, melting point is 1475 degrees/802C I do not think you guys with the benzomatics can achieve the temp that my torch can solder melting point is around 400/500 degrees unless you have a accetylene rig stay away from sil floss Here is my torch. and Me getting frustrated trying to hold the camera and work one handed This is what you need for sil floss annealing copper 001 - video Dailymotion Edited March 21, 2021 by Frodo Quote Singer 66, Chi Chi Patcher, Rex 26-188, singer 29k62 , 2-needles D.C.F.M
Members billybopp Posted March 21, 2021 Members Report Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Frodo said: Harris O , is what I use, melting point is 1475 degrees/802C I do not think you guys with the benzomatics can achieve the temp that my torch can solder melting point is around 400/500 degrees unless you have a accetylene rig stay away from sil floss Here is my torch. and Me getting frustrated trying to hold the camera and work one handed This is what you need for sil floss annealing copper 001 - video Dailymotion LOL! Soldering alone is at least a 3-handed job usually. Trying to hold a camera at least 4 hands! Nice use for vice grips there. When soldering electronics I use a small vice designed to hold circuit boards, or if I'm just soldering wires together, one of these. The magnifying glass is a huge help too. When I was a mainframe computer tech, I carried both in my tool kit. I also bought a phone holder with a ring light with intent of using it to do video with, but now that I spend my days on web camera in Zoom conferences, it's been co-opted for holding my webcam. Thanks for the video! - Bill Edited March 21, 2021 by billybopp Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted March 21, 2021 CFM Report Posted March 21, 2021 i use novacan old master flux and canfield 60 40. Both are sold in stained glass supplies. Good stuff! https://www.amazon.com/Novacan-Old-Masters-Flux-Oz/dp/B000N6KR90 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=canfield+60+40 Mainly because i do some stained glass as well. but the flux is made for this type of stuff and is a liquid that cleans up easily. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted March 21, 2021 CFM Report Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, billybopp said: Great stuff! @Frodois totally right - Acid flux can be nasty stuff! In the world of electronics we use rosin flux core solder that doesn't eat away at metals but it is not suitable for this application: The rosin flux isn't strong enough for this use, it just doesn't have the "cleaning power" needed. They also make acid core flux solder for plumbing which is also not the best choice for this use, there's just not enough flux there to do the job. When buying solder, the type without a core is your best choice when you're using a separate flux. Thanks @cseeger! This is great stuff. The socket trick is great. I couldn't justify the price of a doming tool, but I have sockets and a small ball peen hammer. What a find on your gold coin! And you're totally right about reading those text books. I remember them well, and your comment in the addendum made me shudder just a bit as I remembered. I'm curious, though, do you use silver solder for your jewelry pieces? It has a considerably higher melting point, but tends to make a really strong bond. - Bill Most if not all solders sold in the us now are silver solders, the percentage of silver is what makes them different strengths. Jewelry solders come in gold and silver also with varying amounts. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members billybopp Posted March 21, 2021 Members Report Posted March 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: Most if not all solders sold in the us now are silver solders, the percentage of silver is what makes them different strengths. Jewelry solders come in gold and silver also with varying amounts. Thanks! I didn't know that. I haven't bought solder in a very long time since I don't do electronics for a living anymore and the plumbing here is just about all plastic now. BTW - I'm sure I'm not alone in that I'd love to see some of your stained glass work if you're up to sharing. The skills of people on here in addition to leatherwork never ceases to amaze. Y'all are a talented bunch! - Bill Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted March 21, 2021 CFM Report Posted March 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, billybopp said: Thanks! I didn't know that. I haven't bought solder in a very long time since I don't do electronics for a living anymore and the plumbing here is just about all plastic now. BTW - I'm sure I'm not alone in that I'd love to see some of your stained glass work if you're up to sharing. The skills of people on here in addition to leatherwork never ceases to amaze. Y'all are a talented bunch! - Bill Solder is eeexpensive nowadays lol 30 bucks a pound or so. I will have to take some pictures of what i have. I made most to sell and give but did do a few small windows for my house. It has been a few years as it was one of those tried, did and moved on crafts that i didn't find a lot of passion in i guess. I have a ton of glass and all the equipment in a box in the basement. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted March 21, 2021 CFM Report Posted March 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, billybopp said: Thanks! I didn't know that. I haven't bought solder in a very long time since I don't do electronics for a living anymore and the plumbing here is just about all plastic now. BTW - I'm sure I'm not alone in that I'd love to see some of your stained glass work if you're up to sharing. The skills of people on here in addition to leatherwork never ceases to amaze. Y'all are a talented bunch! - Bill Doh then i looked up and remembered my clock . It was the first pattern that i made myself unlike leather glass patterns have to be made so you can cut each piece without problem, some angles you can draw you just cant cut out in glass. surprising how hard a logo this was to duplicate and get the clock segments as well. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM Frodo Posted March 21, 2021 CFM Report Posted March 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: Doh then i looked up and remembered my clock . It was the first pattern that i made myself unlike leather glass patterns have to be made so you can cut each piece without problem, some angles you can draw you just cant cut out in glass. surprising how hard a logo this was to duplicate and get the clock segments as well. BEAUTIFUL CLOCK, nice JOB. here is a little copper work. baby grand I had a bike rally around here last year Quote Singer 66, Chi Chi Patcher, Rex 26-188, singer 29k62 , 2-needles D.C.F.M
CFM chuck123wapati Posted March 21, 2021 CFM Report Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Frodo said: BEAUTIFUL CLOCK, nice JOB. here is a little copper work. baby grand Thank you and that baby grand is something to be proud of also. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members billybopp Posted March 21, 2021 Members Report Posted March 21, 2021 Those are awesome guys! Thank you for sharing. - Bill Quote
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