Members DavidMillsSaddlery Posted May 7, 2019 Author Members Report Posted May 7, 2019 Are you using matching numbered needles and awls? The Union LS I have has a different numbering system, And they instruct you to use the needle size one smaller then the ball size! The old manual I have for the Landis number three suggest using the same numbered all and needle, and using one size smaller thread in the Bobbin... Eli suggested going one needle size smaller than the awl as well Quote
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted May 7, 2019 Members Report Posted May 7, 2019 8 hours ago, turbotexas said: What type of thread are you using? Nylon, polyester or the old school stuff? Then what type of wax? I see this nylon thread wearing parts quickly? In all honesty i have not used my #3 enough to say one it sews with one thread better than another. I did get some poly for it; it was expensive, loosely twisted, and i wasn't overly impressed. I've heard so many negative things about the linen that is available to us today, that i am reluctant to drop the cash to buy a couple new spools to try it. I have a couple older spools that I used with my Randall machine however, and it was wonderful stuff. I believe I used either Frankel's stitching wax or Sellari's (sp?) with it. I have some of each. I ran plenty of nylon thread through my first Randall, and the only problem I had with it is the same trouble it gives on most other machines. After winding off the spool for a long enough time, it developed kinks between the thread brakes or at other points along the thread path, and that will always give trouble. 2 hours ago, turbotexas said: Are you using matching numbered needles and awls? The Union LS I have has a different numbering system, And they instruct you to use the needle size one smaller then the ball size! The old manual I have for the Landis number three suggest using the same numbered all and needle, and using one size smaller thread in the Bobbin... Eli suggested going one needle size smaller than the awl as well The reason Eli may be suggesting a size bigger awl than needle, is as these machines wear, if you get a little play in the needle bar, you can have trouble with the needle not wanting to follow the awl up through the work, especially on heavier work. If you use a size bigger awl, it gives a bigger hole for the needle to follow. Very few of these vintage stitchers are as tight as they were when they were new. If you are doing fine, light work, the sizes recommended in the manual may work great, plus look better also. Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted May 7, 2019 Moderator Report Posted May 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, Big Sioux Saddlery said: SNIP The reason Eli may be suggesting a size bigger awl than needle, is as these machines wear, if you get a little play in the needle bar, you can have trouble with the needle not wanting to follow the awl up through the work, especially on heavier work. If you use a size bigger awl, it gives a bigger hole for the needle to follow. Very few of these vintage stitchers are as tight as they were when they were new. If you are doing fine, light work, the sizes recommended in the manual may work great, plus look better also. I found this to be true on both of my Union Lockstitch machines. I adjusted the needle feed block as tight as possible without binding, in two axis. Even with this tight needle positioning, there were times and circumstances when the needle missed the hole and started pushing the leather up. Also, some leather and non-leather tends to close up on the bottom as the awl withdraws, making it harder for the needle to penetrate the hole. So, a full size larger awl helps the needle do its thing with difficult leather, or Biothane. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted May 8, 2019 Members Report Posted May 8, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 6:35 PM, Goldshot Ron said: , the bobbin thread is clumping; like you would see on a poorly sewn backstitch I would try changing the take-up to raise the lock. If you changed ANYTHING, type/density of leather, thickness of leather, etc, it can have an effect. Nylon, since it does tend to stretch more than the other materials, will be more cause that lock to stay on the bottom. While some people may think having to change the take-up on these old machines is crude and a pain in the butt, the ability to do that, along with the thread brake system is what makes these machines so we'll suited for sewing heavy leather. Speaking of thread brakes, you might want to check those also. If you get a groove worn in them, they will let the shuttle steal thread. Quote
Members DavidMillsSaddlery Posted April 28, 2022 Author Members Report Posted April 28, 2022 I found a second Landis 3 to add to my collection! It was a head only, so I put a servo motor and speed reducer under the table! give a like and a follow! davidmillssaddlery.com Quote
CowboyBob Posted April 28, 2022 Report Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) David,Looks like it's stitching pretty good.I wished I kept ser# of the Landis 3's I've sold over the yrs, because I'm almost certain I painted & sold this one many years ago,we used to paint alot of them this color & also used angle iron to hold them to the table.And we had a fellow come in one time that looked @ some machines in the warehouse house while any guy was there alone & alot of the plates & shuttles came up missing after he left, so we had them made up in bronze like this one has. Edited April 28, 2022 by CowboyBob Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
Members DavidMillsSaddlery Posted July 5, 2022 Author Members Report Posted July 5, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 8:02 AM, CowboyBob said: David,Looks like it's stitching pretty good.I wished I kept ser# of the Landis 3's I've sold over the yrs, because I'm almost certain I painted & sold this one many years ago,we used to paint alot of them this color & also used angle iron to hold them to the table.And we had a fellow come in one time that looked @ some machines in the warehouse house while any guy was there alone & alot of the plates & shuttles came up missing after he left, so we had them made up in bronze like this one has. I hate it that someone had the nerve to steal parts like that! If you painted this, shame on you for painting over the plaque! Lol this machine was salvaged, or combined… two different serial numbers on it! Quote
CowboyBob Posted July 10, 2022 Report Posted July 10, 2022 On 7/5/2022 at 1:16 PM, turbotexas said: I hate it that someone had the nerve to steal parts like that! If you painted this, shame on you for painting over the plaque! Lol this machine was salvaged, or combined… two different serial numbers on it! Yes,someone else must of painted it then ,I never painted over any labels on any machine I painted! Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
Members DavidMillsSaddlery Posted July 12, 2022 Author Members Report Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/10/2022 at 3:56 AM, CowboyBob said: Yes,someone else must of painted it then ,I never painted over any labels on any machine I painted! That’s good! I’ll eventually get around to pulling it off and trying to clean it up! On 7/10/2022 at 3:56 AM, CowboyBob said: Yes,someone else must of painted it then ,I never painted over any labels on any machine I painted! I emailed you a few days back, looking for a spring for the bobbin shuttle! The flat spring in shuttle! Quote
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