Manuel55 Report post Posted September 17, 2019 Hi, I have been working now for a while with hand stitching, and found my own style, which is pretty much to my liking. But the time i spend sewing makes my products just to expensive. So I am looking forward to buy a sewing machine. I am from Germany but living in Barcelona. While in Germany, it seems easier to buy a second hand machine from a dealer, I haven't found a dealer yet close to barcelona. 1. sewing rather soft vegetable tanned leather Vachetta in the thickness 1.6-2,2 mm 2. maximum 4 layers. 3. Creating a similar stitching look to a 3mm Seiwa pricking iron with 0.6 mm ritza 25 4. Probably with 0.6 mm ritza 44 thread equally to 208 machine thread? (up and down preferably the same threadsize) (0,4 mm is not available in "small" quantities in my colours) 5. Sewing simple straight lines, but also more complicated inside out constructions As I have never been working with a sewing machine I would rather choose a machine, which is easier to use. Looking at the options and researching I found a few machines, which I think would be suitable for my needs: 1. Techsew 2750 pro No Price yet, but situated in Germany/France so probably around the same 2750 € + vat 2. Pfaff 335 Dealer in the south of spain 2650 € +vat 3. Adler 669 / 69 Dealer close to Barcelona 3790 € + Vat 4. Texi HD forte cilindro Dealer inside Barcelona 2050 € + Vat My question now is, if you do think, that the extra 600 € towards a Pfaff 335 from the Texi clone are worth it, especially, as the dealer isn't close to barcelona? The Adler 69 Eco seems to be out of my budget. Techsew would be a nice fit, from what I can see, but in the end the dealer is quite far located. So the service might not be so great. I would like to pay a maximum of around 2500 €. Did I miss out any option in your opinion? Thank you and excuse me, that my first post is a request for information ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel55 Report post Posted September 17, 2019 I also found a PFAFF Kl. 335 G 706/07 which is used and can be shipped from germany for a total of 2100 € with electronic stop motor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikesc Report post Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Take a tour of the area of Mataro..lot of textile sewing ateliers there, and a reasonable number of leatherwork production ateliers too ( jackets waistcoats, skirts etc ) , ask around for the leather sewing machine dealers.I used to buy finished garments ( leather and textile ) from Mataro suppliers. HTH :) Begin asking ask here..Barcelona chamber of commerce section for Mataro https://www.cambrabcn.org/on-som/punts-de-servei/mataro The main Barcelona chamber of commerce will also know of the leather goods ateliers in other parts of the Barcelona area..and maybe sewing machine dealers there. IIRC there were many ateliers producing leather bags too..and some producing leather footwear.. Edited September 17, 2019 by mikesc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel55 Report post Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mikesc said: Take a tour of the area of Mataro..lot of textile sewing ateliers there, and a reasonable number of leatherwork production ateliers too ( jackets waistcoats, skirts etc ) , ask around for the leather sewing machine dealers.I used to buy finished garments ( leather and textile ) from Mataro suppliers. HTH Begin asking ask here..Barcelona chamber of commerce section for Matarohttps://www.cambrabcn.org/on-som/punts-de-servei/mataro The main Barcelona chamber of commerce will also know of the leather goods ateliers in other parts of the Barcelona area..and maybe sewing machine dealers there. IIRC there were many ateliers producing leather bags too..and some producing leather footwear.. Thank you so much Mike, I will definitely also check them out. What do you think in general about the machines, I have listed above? I get the impression that the Pfaff 335 might not be suitable for 0.6 mm ritza (207 or 277 thread equivalent?) But I haven't tried 0.4 mm thread Ritza in general, so I don't know for sure yet, that this won't be anyway better for nearly 2 mm Leather. greetings from Barcelona Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikesc Report post Posted September 17, 2019 I haven't used any of the machines that you mentioned..mine are Singer or Juki..someone else who knows the ones that you listed will have to advise on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted September 17, 2019 The older 335's were limited to #138 thread but were happier with #69, I'm not sure about the new models as I couldn't find it listed in the manual that I have. It also mentions needing an air supply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel55 Report post Posted October 1, 2019 Ok thanks all for the advises, I finally got a second hand Adler 669 nearly unused for a really good price. So I went for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted October 1, 2019 Great machine That will work for you nicely. I have one. I replaced my Pfaff 335G with it. You got the best machine in its class on the market. You will not be sorry. glenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
