Cobra vs Cowboy

[JJN]

@bruce johnson, thank you very much for the photos. That is just what I needed. It looks like the post is 5/8" square stock with two 1/4" wide by .025" deep grooves cut about 1/8" from the bottom. Drill  a hole for the guide rod and drill and tap a hole for the set screw. If anyone has an extra one for sale, I am interested. I have the base plate.

[RemingtonSteel]

20 hours ago, JJN said:

I am very glad to hear your trip was successful and my CL suggestion panned out.

JJN, yes, I can't even begin to thank you enough. 

So not as many accessories as I thought there might be.  I see that Bruce Johnson already posted the picture of the two types of roller guides, and those are exactly the ones that came with mine. In addition to that I have the wide center toes as well as the wide double toe presser feet as pictured in Bruce's second photo, as well as the dark needle plate.  Those were loose in the stand drawer along with a second bobbin.  Installed on the unit is a narrower center toe with a narrow left foot, and a shinny needle plate.  Not sure what the difference between the two needle plates are as of yet.  Other than that, there was the wax lube pot that was installed on the unit as well as an extra wax lube pot, not sure why he had two. There were also 5five fair sized spools of bonded nylon thread, but they probably have had so much sun exposure that they are not worth using except for practice.

18 hours ago, Bert51 said:

don't run out and buy a new servo motor as you may not need it

I was planning on playing with the clutch motor for a while before I decide if I would like to upgrade to a servo motor or not. The only negative I see right now to the clutch motor is that there appears to be only one speed (unless you feather the clutch), which is actually slower than I thought it would be due to the speed reducer. I think I would be comfortable sewing the long sides of belts at a little faster pace, although the slower speed is still 100 times faster than hand stitching a belt.

17 hours ago, bruce johnson said:

Realize this was back in the day when this very machine sold for north of $5000 for the head, stand, reducer. and clutch motor, no accessories but maybe a light.

Bruce is correct.  The back page of the owner's manual, doubles as the warranty card, which has my unit's serial number and purchase date, which was November 11, 2000.  There was some various other literature that came with manual, one of which is a price sheet from Ferdco, dated FEB 2000.  The Pro 2000 Head Only sold for $5,145.00, and the Complete Package (Head, Stand, Motor, Speed Reducer and Accessory Kit) sold for $5,695.00. and with the Attachment Package $6,695.00.

FYI, The Ferdco Pro 2000 looks like it was sold in five different configurations.  

• Pro 2000
• Pro 2000H
• Pro 2000 FB
• Pro 2000 HFB
• Pro 2000HHFB

H: High Lift --- FB: Flat Bed --- HFB: High Lift Flat Bed --- HHFB: Super High Lift Flat Bed  with the HHFB topping out at $7095.00 complete.

This should be an eye opener for everyone (including me) that thinks the price of the new machines is a little high, and are looking for ways to get the price down even further. I think everyone in the community really owes Cobra, Cowboy, Techsew, Artisan and any others that I may have missed, a huge debt of gratitude for jumping into the ring, because the competition really drove the prices down.  If they had not, I probably would have needed to pay around $4,500 or more for this used Ferdco. Although the original owner's of Ferdco were probably not happy about the competition. as this is most likely what almost drove them out of business, and spurred the sale of the business to Hoffman Brothers.

17 hours ago, JJN said:

It looks like the post is 5/8" square stock with two 1/4" wide by .025" deep grooves cut about 1/8" from the bottom.

I have some digital calipers, and would be willing to take some precise measurements if you would like.

[housewifer]

On 11/25/2019 at 8:14 PM, RemingtonSteel said:

JJN, yes, I can't even begin to thank you enough. 

So not as many accessories as I thought there might be.  I see that Bruce Johnson already posted the picture of the two types of roller guides, and those are exactly the ones that came with mine. In addition to that I have the wide center toes as well as the wide double toe presser feet as pictured in Bruce's second photo, as well as the dark needle plate.  Those were loose in the stand drawer along with a second bobbin.  Installed on the unit is a narrower center toe with a narrow left foot, and a shinny needle plate.  Not sure what the difference between the two needle plates are as of yet.  Other than that, there was the wax lube pot that was installed on the unit as well as an extra wax lube pot, not sure why he had two. There were also 5five fair sized spools of bonded nylon thread, but they probably have had so much sun exposure that they are not worth using except for practice.

I was planning on playing with the clutch motor for a while before I decide if I would like to upgrade to a servo motor or not. The only negative I see right now to the clutch motor is that there appears to be only one speed (unless you feather the clutch), which is actually slower than I thought it would be due to the speed reducer. I think I would be comfortable sewing the long sides of belts at a little faster pace, although the slower speed is still 100 times faster than hand stitching a belt.

Bruce is correct.  The back page of the owner's manual, doubles as the warranty card, which has my unit's serial number and purchase date, which was November 11, 2000.  There was some various other literature that came with manual, one of which is a price sheet from Ferdco, dated FEB 2000.  The Pro 2000 Head Only sold for $5,145.00, and the Complete Package (Head, Stand, Motor, Speed Reducer and Accessory Kit) sold for $5,695.00. and with the Attachment Package $6,695.00.

FYI, The Ferdco Pro 2000 looks like it was sold in five different configurations.  

• Pro 2000
• Pro 2000H
• Pro 2000 FB
• Pro 2000 HFB
• Pro 2000HHFB

H: High Lift --- FB: Flat Bed --- HFB: High Lift Flat Bed --- HHFB: Super High Lift Flat Bed  with the HHFB topping out at $7095.00 complete.

This should be an eye opener for everyone (including me) that thinks the price of the new machines is a little high, and are looking for ways to get the price down even further. I think everyone in the community really owes Cobra, Cowboy, Techsew, Artisan and any others that I may have missed, a huge debt of gratitude for jumping into the ring, because the competition really drove the prices down.  If they had not, I probably would have needed to pay around $4,500 or more for this used Ferdco. Although the original owner's of Ferdco were probably not happy about the competition. as this is most likely what almost drove them out of business, and spurred the sale of the business to Hoffman Brothers.

I have some digital calipers, and would be willing to take some precise measurements if you would like.

All the information you have given has been very useful. It worked for me. Thank you.