Forward cant Western holster?

[Dwight]

4 hours ago, MikeRock said:

Dwight,

Is there an illustration in the SASS handbook to show holster cant, angles upon clearing leather and the 170 downrange rule? 

God bless

 

Found the PDF online.

Not that I know of, . . . MikeRock, . . . but the whole thing is being blown out of proportion by someone trying to make up the rules as he wants them to be.

Drawing you weapon from a forward cant holster will NOT make the barrel automatically point to the rear.  Try it in front of a mirror for crying out loud.  As the weapon is drawn, . . . it straightens up or goes fwd, . . . depending on the skill of the shooter.  The fwd cant is a trick to allow the shooter to get a better grip on his handgun before he begins the upward movement.

Yes, . . . I'd make a 29 degree fwd cant for a customer if he wanted it, . . . and be happy that I had the opportunity to help him.  I'd balk at the 30 because I might make a mistake and have to do it over again for no cost.

Some of these people need to DO more things and then they would find out how things work.

May God bless,

Dwight

[Professor]

On 1/29/2020 at 3:34 PM, chuck123wapati said:

Cant is also effected by drawing style, there was a time in firearm history where the gun was drawn more rearward, tipped to point forward at the point it cleared the holster , the elbow then moved forward and planted firmly on the side and the gun fired from that point without aiming, you've seen it in old westerns. The side plant was taught to law enforcement as late as the 70s that I know of as my dad shot that way in fact he never used two hands to shoot a handgun was taught by law enforcement and was very accurate. Nowadays with the forward cant the barrel is drawn out of the holster in a forward type sweep and the barrel pointed forward during the rotation of the arm and wrist as it comes up to the ready position.  In the end however it is personal preference and what feels good to the shooter. If ya like it go for it.

I've noticed that in the TV series "Paladin" Richard Boone usually draws the revolver back from the holster then thrusts it forwards as if thrusting with a sword. At the same time swiveling his body to present a more narrow target. One thing I like about that series is that Paladin often ran up against gunfighters who were a hair faster on the draw but with his patented style he never missed hitting them dead center.

A couple of other quirks, he had his cartridges custom made with a lighter than standard bullet and a specialized gunpowder which appears to have been one of the "brown powder" or "grey powder" precursors to true smokeless powders. I suppose this allowed for a slightly higher velocity.

Edited February 11, 2020 by Professor

[dikman]

Dwight, no argument from me on your reasoning, because I agree with it (which is why I had the idea of a forward cant). Unfortunately, if the powers-that-be running Single Action here in Oz determine that it breaks the rules by pointing the barrel backwards I'm not about to create any dramas for myself over what is a minor issue.

Professor, as many here doubtless know Andy Anderson was an early holster maker for tv and movies. He studied the actual action of drawing and firing and developed the rearward canted holster as providing a more natural means of fast drawing a revolver. If you think about it, that works well if you draw and fire from the hip, if however you draw and raise the revolver to a straight arm forward thrusting position it's not as efficient as you are actually pulling the gun back and then have to reverse direction to raise it up. With a forward cant you're drawing it forward and up, which is more natural for a raised arm style.

Anyhow, it's been an interesting discussion.

[chuck123wapati]

7 hours ago, Professor said:

I've noticed that in the TV series "Paladin" Richard Boone usually draws the revolver back from the holster then thrusts it forwards as if thrusting with a sword. At the same time swiveling his body to present a more narrow target. One thing I like about that series is that Paladin often ran up against gunfighters who were a hair faster on the draw but with his patented style he never missed hitting them dead center.

A couple of other quirks, he had his cartridges custom made with a lighter than standard bullet and a specialized gunpowder which appears to have been one of the "brown powder" or "grey powder" precursors to true smokeless powders. I suppose this allowed for a slightly higher velocity.

Tv made some radical holster inventions in order to please its customers. The holsters were often lined with steel or rawhide also so the cylinder could rotate as the gun was being drawn, this allowed for the shooter to cock the weapon faster it also led to the modern fast draw competitions we know today. I'll try and post a video about it that I ran across .https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cowboy+action+fast+draw&qpvt=cowboy+action+fast+draw&view=detail&mid=CFF9431B379BBA2D6AA5CFF9431B379BBA2D6AA5&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcowboy%2Baction%2Bfast%2Bdraw%26qpvt%3Dcowboy%2Baction%2Bfast%2Bdraw%26FORM%3DVDRE