Members Bert51 Posted April 30, 2020 Members Report Posted April 30, 2020 Gee, $2500.00, I'd sell mine for that, well maybe? Bert. Quote
Members Fognozzle Posted April 30, 2020 Author Members Report Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) Yep, he's dreaming I think he'd take $2000 for it, but no less. Not right now anyway. The one I'm looking at is on eBay for $1650: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Used-Singer-132K6-heavy-duty-Industrial-sewing-machine/184208546428 and on their website for $1500: https://www.camsew.com.au/UsedMachines/UsedMachines.html# What do you think? The website describes it as a long arm, but it looks like a regular machine to me, maybe they reused a title? The other question I have is what accessories do I need? I suppose a walking foot is essential, but anything else? I read that some motors are 1420rpm and others are 2840rpm, with the 1420 being more desirable for leather. What's the ideal motor setup in your opinion? I'm thinking if he's a dealer with plenty of parts laying around he can probably set it up however I want? Edited May 1, 2020 by Fognozzle Quote
Members dikman Posted May 1, 2020 Members Report Posted May 1, 2020 Definitely not a long arm.. These machines aren't a walking foot, they are what's called a jump foot where the foot flicks forward and down to help drag the material along. Obviously a slower motor would be better as it will make it a bit easier to control. Personally, I'm a great believer in servo motors as a newcomer will be able to control the machine right from the start. It's bad enough worrying about where the stitches are going without having to fight a high-speed clutch motor at the same time! Just my thoughts but Bert can advise you better as he actually has one. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Fognozzle Posted May 1, 2020 Author Members Report Posted May 1, 2020 Thanks dikman, what you say makes sense. I spoke to the seller, he seems really helpful and confirmed that it has the slower speed motor, although not a servo obviously. He sells the Ho Hsing (600w) for $375, but has offered to do it for $300 with the machine. He also said he'd have a look and see if he can find a cheaper (but still decent) servo option. Quote
Members Bert51 Posted May 1, 2020 Members Report Posted May 1, 2020 dikman is right, they are not a true walking foot, but they call them a "Kick" foot, I have a 31K47 and a 132K6 and they both use the same action. As the dog moves the Kick for moves with it, then when the inner foot foot holds the material while the needle penetrates it and the feed dog returns to start the movement again. I use a 1480 R.P.M. motor with a 60mm pulley, but I dropped it back to a 50 mm pulley as I was struggling a little after I got out of hospital last year. I call it walking speed. I would not pay $375.00 for a Ho Hsing motor, you need to come and see me. Bert. Quote
Members dikman Posted May 1, 2020 Members Report Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) Ho Hsing are considered to be very good motors but I wouldn't pay for one. I've bought several different servos off ebay/Aliexpress, the last couple around $100, and while they're probably not of the same quality as Ho Hsing they have been more than adequate for my needs. Another possibility, if you buy it, is to use the existing 1425 rpm motor, fit the smallest pulley you can to the motor and buy/make a speed reducer. This will slow it down somewhat. You might also be able to replace the handwheel with a large pulley (I've done this on several machines) and combined with the other two options should slow it significantly. When I was chasing up a 441 clone I spoke to the chap at that company, and while I ended up elsewhere (long story) he was very helpful nevertheless. Edited May 1, 2020 by dikman Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Handstitched Posted May 1, 2020 Members Report Posted May 1, 2020 23 hours ago, Bert51 said: Can I join you HS, the weather cold and wet (thank God) over here, I'll bring the snags and slaw. You are very welcome. I'll supply the beer, booze restrictions have been lifted here in the west . Fire restrictions just been lifted too, getting chilly here. 20 hours ago, Fognozzle said: I'm in, although I'm leaning towards a nice wood fired pizza right now... We can do both. I do have a gas fired pizza oven . I'm a big fan of meat, pepperoni, ( mild), csabai etc. and LOTS of cheese This is way off topic, but yummy The K6 looks great. Pics are fine, but I would prefer to see it in person, maybe have a bit of a play , check it over etc. And maybe...just maybe, get the price down a bit more...? say $1400- $1500? Not sure about distance etc. but I did drive 4 hrs south of WA for my patcher . HS Quote ' I have a very gweat friend in Wome called Biggus Dickus, He has a wife you know, do you know whats she's called? Incontinentia.......Incontinentia Buttocks '
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted May 1, 2020 Moderator Report Posted May 1, 2020 I don't mean to discourage potential buyers of spring foot machines, but I used to own a Singer 132k6 and currently have a 42-5. They work great is the top grain isn't slick. The top foot needs to dig into the top and follow it back with the bottom feed dog. When the dog reaches the back of its travel and drops down, the spring foot springs forward, just like Daylight Saving Time! BUT; there's always a but... I learned that if the material is slick on top, the spring foot just slides uselessly on the top and fights the feed dog's action. The 132k6 turned out to be a huge disappointment to me for sewing polished surfaces, like stamped and polished belts and holsters. The stitch length varied wildly as the foot slipped over the top. TBT, the Singer 132k6 was marketed as a buffing wheel sewing machine and there was an attachment that moved stacks of round cloth in a circle and away from the needle as it sewed arcs. That's why they have a long 1/2 inch maximum stitch length and 1/2 inch clearance under the feet. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Fognozzle Posted May 1, 2020 Author Members Report Posted May 1, 2020 Oh salami and cheese, you are talking my language! If we can add a loaf of fresh sourdough and some good cider, we've got ourselves a party! That K6 is $1500 on his website. We're going to look at it today - Mrs Fognozzle has already nominated some jobs for it, so I suppose that's already an aye from that side of the chamber! Thanks Wizcrafts for that tip, salient for many I'm sure, although not enough to dissuade me at this point as I'm still mainly focussed on canvas for any machine work. I had a little chat with Bert offline and he recommended I see how I go with the clutch before swapping it for a servo, which seems like good advice. He reckons with the right belt tension and proper lubrication it should be easy to use. Hopefully I'll get to have a play with it today anyway and let you know how I go! Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted May 2, 2020 Moderator Report Posted May 2, 2020 Clutch motors are easy to tweak via a bolt on the front left, in front ot eh output axle. Backing it out gives more slack before she engages. Then you can adjust the spring on the right end of the control lever to push it up more or less. Of course, the position of the foot pedal can be adjusted to suit your foot or shoe profile. Finally, a very small motor pulley will slow it way down. I recommend a 50mm or smaller machine pulley and a longer type 3L belt to match. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
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