Members Spyros Posted June 9, 2021 Author Members Report Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: why not? because your customer might not agree maybe a good reason. After all its the consumer that really decides what they feel they are buying is handmade or not nowadays it turns into a review, or a comment on your work. Too bad then. What a customer thinks does not change the truth. Quote
CFM Frodo Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 Please correct me if i am wrong , saddle stitch is stronger than a machine loop or lock stitch So, in my opinion hand sewing is far superior to machine sewing. in this regard. I am not an expert but I new an experts neighbors mechanics pool cleaner at one time. Quote Singer 66, Chi Chi Patcher, Rex 26-188, singer 29k62 , 2-needles D.C.F.M
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, Tugadude said: This is an interesting discussion. The fact that this isn't the first time it has come up on this forum is proof of that. There's an interesting underlying thing going on that I think is worth noting. And it boils down to humanity versus machines. Someone mentioned a video where someone is claiming their work is handmade yet there is a clicker press in the background. In reality, their work is probably a combination of the two. Some pieces that are repetitive are made on the press while some are made by hand. So the work is a combination of the two. I remember when one of my kids was in school they took a field trip to an auto plant. The manufacturer was General Motors and we were to be given a look at the assembly process. The class had been studying robotics and we were going to get a guided tour of a portion of the assembly line that utilized robots to a large degree. I can tell you it was fascinating. I forget the actual numbers, but the guide explained to us that one of the robots was able to be programmed to install an adhesive to within 1/2000th of an inch in space and do it consistently. The robot moved to an exact position each time a windshield arrived on the line, laying down a perfect bead of sealant/adhesive every time. I suppose the only need for human intervention was turning the thing on and making sure the adhesive didn't run out. Machines can do some amazing things, some of them much better than humans can. There are also things that just don't make sense, like creating a clicker die for every single piece of leather you're ever going to cut. Where would you even put them if you could afford them? While the term handmade may or may not be accurate in all instances, I still believe there is a connotation that when something is handmade, its construction was done largely by humans and it was made one-at-a-time, and not part of a mass production. The quality control of mass production often comes at the end of the process. Of course it depends on what it is that is being produced. There are items that have QC all along the way, but some things are either right or not and they don't know until it is finished. With handmade items there is a sense that the QC process begins the moment the worker chooses a piece of leather for the project. And it never stops. It is an ongoing thing and when the product is finished, it is right. At least that's my way of looking at it. In my career I've been fortunate to have visited numerous manufacturing plants. Some of the equipment I've seen was simply incredible. The things that can be done would amaze most people, who have no idea how things are accomplished. That's why there are popular television programs where they show how things get made. Because it is often surprising and interesting. Anyway, I don't think I helped to distinguish handmade any more than anyone else. But when I hear that something is handmade, I just know that it conjures up certain thoughts and emotions which guide how I perceive it. In the end, is handmade better? Depends. Depends on the hands I suppose. So what say does your customer have in the end its really them who decide if your work is handmade isn't it? You as the maker can call it whatever you want but if you sell it then someone will decide if they got what they paid for. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM Frodo Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 I believe Chuck brought this point up in the last discussion on this topic the only true hand made leather items were made by the Indians who killed, tanned and sewn the skin with the aid of ZERO machines they made everything from the knives to the needles. Machines were not involved Quote Singer 66, Chi Chi Patcher, Rex 26-188, singer 29k62 , 2-needles D.C.F.M
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, Spyros said: Too bad then. What a customer thinks does not change the truth. Really? then why even ask the question you have made it a moot point? the word Truth is as ambiguous and personal as handmade. 6 minutes ago, Frodo said: Please correct me if i am wrong , saddle stitch is stronger than a machine loop or lock stitch So, in my opinion hand sewing is far superior to machine sewing. in this regard. I am not an expert but I new an experts neighbors mechanics pool cleaner at one time. i think it is also. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Spyros Posted June 9, 2021 Author Members Report Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, chuck123wapati said: Really? then why even ask the question you have made it a moot point? the word Truth is as ambiguous and personal as handmade. What do you mean mate, I don't follow... I wasn't trying to make a point, and not everybody cares about customers (I certainly dont), I just had a philosophical question that's all. Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Frodo said: I believe Chuck brought this point up in the last discussion on this topic the only true hand made leather items were made by the Indians who killed, tanned and sewn the skin with the aid of ZERO machines they made everything from the knives to the needles. Machines were not involved i believe i did say that, so the new mallet i am making, i killed an elk drug it out of the mountains skinned, scraped, and dried the hide for the head cut the tree down for the handle drilled it with a drill press turned the whole thing on my lathe and assembled it, added some brass or steel washers. What do i have? a handmade mallet? or one just like you can buy from tandy? How would i advertise it for sale without being called a liar or cheat? l Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM Frodo Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) I believe the word that would be correct is ''custom" I would personally call it handmade but the word custom would be more a accurate term according to webster. hand made means with out machinery Edited June 9, 2021 by Frodo Quote Singer 66, Chi Chi Patcher, Rex 26-188, singer 29k62 , 2-needles D.C.F.M
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Spyros said: (I certainly dont), nuff said there ! Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Spyros Posted June 9, 2021 Author Members Report Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, chuck123wapati said: nuff said there ! I still don't understand you. Is this a website only for people who sell stuff? Does every discussion has to revolve around sales? Quote
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