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We have wast experiences with latins and indigenous (Indians). We came here in an semi empty land in 1927 and since society has become pluricultural. BTW, the tannin tanneries in Europe and USA used during that time till end of 1970 I believe, came from here (quebracho wood and palo santo wood). "100 year warranty". "You will inheret Saddleback products to your grandchildren". "Your children will fight over Saddleback items to inherit them". Some of their claims. Saddleback are supposed to be the best of the best in Northamerica. I agree. I bought an #300 sanding paper and sanded the edges of my wallet. Got shortly a huge blister on my finger. But it rounds the edges off. Yea I could straighten cut the edges, sand them for rounding off and then bind them with nylon webbing. That would be for peace of mind of the consumer since he knows the finish underneath the binding is done properly.

I am allways 100% honest. I could have told you underneath the binding it's sanded and burnished first class and edge painted. Then binded. You would have "swallowed" happily that lie and bought the item for 35$. People wanna have told what they wanna hear. The items are not sewn shoddy together but that's a very strong precise sewing underneath the binding. The binding makes the thing only more looking professionally by covering "whats under the hood". Those items will last you a half lifetime. Considered: first will fail the nylon binding; but no sooner than after a few decades with moderate use. You can send the items to me again for rebinding for free. No problem with that. See, telling people the truth is not very good business practice novadays!

Thanks mucky, That's a honest reply. I could resell these on ebay or Etsy.com. Wanna order some? I'll sell them to you for 80$ + shipping. Maybe it'e more economical to resell things as to make them myself. The items I made for myself I am 100% happy with them and still holding strong despite most of them being made when I just started (as the video on Youtube is as well from the very beginning) and thus the leather is still split cow leather and not the full grain pig leather of recent times. Yes before I bought the machine I never had sewn before. When the CB4500 arrived, I set it up and the first sewing was an instant success. First try first success! I guess that's called a "natural talent".

For reference: over here an hours minimal wages is 1.6 US$.

That problem had the soviets as well since they never really knew how to price an item. Seems that a price is somewhat relative and more related to the need of the demand (like high beef prices or high wheat prices since people HAVE to eat bread and meat). Holsters, wallets, smartphone cases, flashlight holder, etc are not essentially needed and so are a kind of an luxury good. Maybe smartphone cases are an exception since everybody has an smartphone today.

I run a small diary farm in the country in Southamerica and am of an german white minority here (German first tongue, Spanish second tongue, English third tongue). I started with leather since I could never find some really proper holsters, pouches and the like and bought an Cowboy 4500 machine. Since then I start to get into the leather business. I have covered all my own leather needs and want to make and sell now to others. Basically anything what allows me to offset a bit the expenses I made for the machine is welcome.

I did not even remember that video. Those items have since been discontinued. The leather shifts while sewing without glue. I will find some glue but only wood glue is locally available or shoe sole glue. Don't know if that will do it. Even when cutting the edges perfectly square, I have to trim afterwards due to the leather shifting. The edge finish was allways a problem which I thought had found the solution for it with the binding.

I dont believe it's the best for the Price. These are more likely imported from Brazil. Sewing machines sellers told me they use at least 4 different type of sewing machines to make those shoes. I dont have them all 4 so the cause is not "rushing". These shoes indeed use 2 lines of what Looks Tex 92 bonded Nylon thread and are reinforced with #277 bonded Nylon thread. Insole and upper leather are sewin together from the inside and on top upper leather is sewn to the sole horizontally and then the outer sole is sewn again (no nails) with an heavy thread. So at least 4 different machines were used there indicating it's made in an bigger factory and not an small familiar shop. How much would you guess the Price or be willing to pay? If These showed up in the USA how much would they be priced?

How much you guys would be willing to pay for These model Chelsea boots? Estimate the Price please!

Correction: TIER 2 boots have an leather as insole and that is sewn heavy duty #480+ wax thread to another thick leather. That other thick leather is then glued to the tire rubber outer sole and the outer sole is on top nailed to the leather Piece (now sewn to the thick inner sole) while the nails do not penetrate the inner sole when new. That manufacturing process creates actually very robust shoes.

These are the boots. Model Chelsea. Actually they are not 11 US$ but rather 9 US$. The shoemaker cuts old car tyres up and uses the heavy duty rubber for the outer sole by cutting it to shape. From inside he nails an 12 oz leather Piece onto the rubber and that acts as an insole (you step on this and hopefully the nails are not comming out soon). The upper leather is about 10 oz genuine leather (I doubt it's full grain) and that is in fact sewn together on These TIER 2 boots. The thread is about #69 polymer (good luck if it's bonded Nylon since that is virtually not abtainable in this Southamerican Country and has to be ordered from Amazon.com only or gotten from Brazil or Argentina by smuggling) thread, and I would be not surprised if it would be some sort of Cotton based thread. Laces are pieces of leather cut to shape. These boots however use some sort of wax #480 thread for sewing the outer sole to the leather part of the shoe's inner sole. Thats a heavy duty sew sole (Kind of fish line thickness but wax thread). The rubber outer sole is then fixed with nails and glue to the inner sole. These are utterly robust shoes. With time you walk on nails though. TIER 4 boots are often not sewn at all on the upper part but an entire leather is water shaped and then cut open were the laces part are. These buy my workers all the time and they hold up about for 5 months. The rest is like above. TIER 1 shoes, like the ones I use cost about 34 US$. These have brazilian Military rubber outer soles. Detailed sewn with I would say #138 or #96 (or something) bonded Nylon/Polyester thread. These have an anti fungus insole and Cloth sewn on the upper part of the shoe. See here an example of the TIER 2 boots for 9 US$.

How do you know. I could reply that (insult) to you as well: but due to respect of Age, I am not gonna do it. That iPhone case of Saddleback is uggly . And for Expertise I dont pay but for results yes. I can see their Messenger bags being expensive - but These Smartphone cases?!?? Otherwise yes their pieces are made well and complicated. But the dedicated custom made molds make a lot of difference, as well as their more advanced technique.

Well in an plutocratic Democracy like most of North-, Southamerica and Europe is, the Price is supposed to reflect the Quality. Saddleback is about the top notch of Pricing together with some German European leather manufacturers. If I would make that Piece of leather, they would be willing to give me 5$ max; but since it's "Saddleback" they can Charge 79$ for that.

Real leather shoes (although I have sometimes the Feeling it's split genuine leather only) cost here about 11 US$. It's about 10 oz cow leather, good year used tire cut soles and nailed to the leather insole. The workers use them for about 2 to 2 months till they are kaputt. Moisture and grassland Walking makes break the leather. Those are model Chelsea boots for Cowboys.

I am willing to Charge: 50 US$ per Inch. VERSUS THE MARKET is willing to pay not even (or maybe) 0.1293 US$ per Inch. You see how ridiculous some advice is that I AM (Kind of I PHONE self indulgence) determing the Price? Thanks to the australian guy to provide real life info.

At 17 Cents per Inch I doubt Clients will Show up. So I settled to Charge instead 400 Pesos per Centimetre, to 300 Pesos per Centimtre. I believe thats fair. Thats 5.09 Cents per Centimetre or 12.93 Cents per Inch. Setup time and machine set up nobody is willing to pay here. Thats why much things run here on monthly installments. Thread costs me 2.6 Pesos per Inch that is 0.044 Cents per Inch (asuming straight line) So an belt to repair sew of 2 meters (80 inches) costs then 10.34 US$. New belts cost here, if they are really expensive about 80000 Pesos that is 13.5 US$. These are real full grain leather belts with somewhat Shoddy buckles. More than 10 US$ people are hesitating to Shell out for a new belt.

I wonder if it would be more normal to just Charge 10.6 Cents per Inch sewing leather. Instead of 17 Cents per Inch. Locally that would translate to 250 Pesos per Centimetre. I believe thats more normal. Any references are welcome as per SPI (Stitch Per Inch) pricing. I know thats common pricing in the US as well (at least was once upon a time). It's an easy measurement and the Client can know easily the approximatelly Price.

17 US Cents per Inch is already high I would say. Lets say in 1 hour on average 1 Person can sew 5 Yards Long threads. That would make it 3.4 US$ x 5 = 17 US$ per hour. I would say thats to high. Or did I missjudge the 5 Yards per hour work ability?

well over here it's different. They ship the items to me ONLY FOR SEWING. The rest of the work does another guy. On the other Hand they dont give any orders if it's on a "per Job" Basis. With fabric tailor here the rule is sewing costs you that much as does 1 meter of fabric. If 1 (square) meter (or Yard) of fabric costs you 3.4 US$ then thats the Price for 1 Yard (meter) of sewing, that would be in that particular case 8.5 Cents per Inch (US$ Cents).

Hi, I have a question. How much is the average Price for sewing leather with the machine per Stitch Per Inch (SPI)? For repair sakes. Only the sewing. Or any other reference like Per Inch or Yard will help as well for reference. Example: you receive an belt for sewing an teared thread. The belt is 1 Yard Long and the Client requests to repair 30 centimeters of that since thats the part to repair. How much to Charge per Inch? Any stitch length and any thread size. I figured 17 Cents (17/100 US$) per Inch will be a fair Price. Is that to high? Is it to low?

Amazon.com is the way to go.

My opinion: >>Not to Pretty. But kudos to make it happen. I just wonder if it holds up since how will the leather stay on the phone without an plastic insert? There ya go 100% leather….<<

Yes the form or mold makes all the difference. Trimming I have not seen there but if then it was done with the machine. Yeah they chisel with an sanding Stone the holes out and then run it with a Soap huge electrical sand Stone. They leave the items basically unfinished as it seems since on their Webpage they have an NEW and Patina worn example. These they sell for 79$ according to their Webpage.

Hi, I found this how the professional finishes the leather edges with an huge sander. If Saddleback Leather Co. does it, it must be Right! Soap and electrical sanding. Thats it.