Lasse Report post Posted June 9, 2022 Hi! I wish to get help to identify this cobbler sewing machine. It’s on sale in Sweden, I am not the seller. I know it’s a Dürkopp and quite old, but how old? Is it made for export? (Due to the text on it) does anyone have more info I would appreciate it I am trying to help the seller to get more info about it before selling it Many thanks in advance / Lars Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted June 9, 2022 This is an Adler model 18 patcher. It is likely from the late 1800s or early 1900s. There is a previous discussion about this model, here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted June 10, 2022 What I can say for sure it is not a Model 18 cause the 18 had a static boat type shuttle (see link in Wiz´s post) I would say Dürkopp 17 (elastic / oscillating shuttle) however Dürkopp also had a Model 16 that they did not continue in 1930 so it could be a 16. Meaning it could be a predecessor of the Model 17. But to be honest I do not know the differences in particular. But the later 17 had a different needle plate and tension unit - not sure if that alone makes yours a model 16. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CowboyBob Report post Posted June 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Constabulary said: What I can say for sure it is not a Model 18 cause the 18 had a static boat type shuttle (see link in Wiz´s post) I would say Dürkopp 17 (elastic / oscillating shuttle) however Dürkopp also had a Model 16 that they did not continue in 1930 so it could be a 16. Meaning it could be a predecessor of the Model 17. But to be honest I do not know the differences in particular. But the later 17 had a different needle plate and tension unit - not sure if that alone makes yours a model 16. I've never seen or heard of a model 16,but have seen alot of 17's & know it's not a 17,this has gears on the bobbin winder & like you said the tension is different than a 17.This one has what looks to be a thread lube on the front too that the 17's don't have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) I have a class 17 parts list and the gear driven winder is shown in the list so I guess certain sub classes have this type of bobbin winder. I haven´t seen a model 16 either (meaning one that is clearly marked as model 16) but the historical list of Dürkopps & Adlers clearly shows a Dürkopp model 16 as cobbler machine. Maybe (maybe!!!) we ID some class 16 as class 17 cause differences are not known and the 16 has many similarities with the 17. But as long as there is no clear model number mentioned on the casting I only can guess. So I really do not know... Maybe SHOEPATCHER knows more Extracts from the list: Edited June 10, 2022 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lasse Report post Posted June 10, 2022 23 hours ago, Wizcrafts said: This is an Adler model 18 patcher. It is likely from the late 1800s or early 1900s. There is a previous discussion about this model, here. I'll look into that thread! Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lasse Report post Posted June 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Constabulary said: What I can say for sure it is not a Model 18 cause the 18 had a static boat type shuttle (see link in Wiz´s post) I would say Dürkopp 17 (elastic / oscillating shuttle) however Dürkopp also had a Model 16 that they did not continue in 1930 so it could be a 16. Meaning it could be a predecessor of the Model 17. But to be honest I do not know the differences in particular. But the later 17 had a different needle plate and tension unit - not sure if that alone makes yours a model 16. To me if feels older than 1930’a. Maybe late 1800 / early 1900 10 hours ago, Constabulary said: I have a class 17 parts list and the gear driven winder is shown in the list so I guess certain sub classes have this type of bobbin winder. I haven´t seen a model 16 either (meaning one that is clearly marked as model 16) but the historical list of Dürkopps & Adlers clearly shows a Dürkopp model 16 as cobbler machine. Maybe (maybe!!!) we ID some class 16 as class 17 cause differences are not known and the 16 has many similarities with the 17. But as long as there is no clear model number mentioned on the casting I only can guess. So I really do not know... Maybe SHOEPATCHER knows more Extracts from the list: I’ll se if I can find any more numbers in the machine so the search can get deeper And better! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lasse Report post Posted June 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Constabulary said: What I can say for sure it is not a Model 18 cause the 18 had a static boat type shuttle (see link in Wiz´s post) I would say Dürkopp 17 (elastic / oscillating shuttle) however Dürkopp also had a Model 16 that they did not continue in 1930 so it could be a 16. Meaning it could be a predecessor of the Model 17. But to be honest I do not know the differences in particular. But the later 17 had a different needle plate and tension unit - not sure if that alone makes yours a model 16. Where will the model marking be on this models? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) Ok We need the length of the arm in cm. We need to see the size f the hook. That will tell us a lot as to subclass and model. This one has a lot of decals on it so it is an early one. Not an 18 class. Throat plate indicates it is a rotary shuttle in it, not a stationary shuttle. dampen the base of the machine abut 4-5 inches above the table and below the opening on the head and see if any numbers appear? they will be faint if still there. glenn Edited June 11, 2022 by shoepatcher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
