22 Plinking Pouch

[Brokenolmarine]

Busy Work and a Gift for a friend.  I am designing a pouch to hold 22 ammo for walking the trails or accompanying the wife or I wandering the farm when we are carrying the 22 rifle or pistol.  You never know when you'll need to put down a varmint, or decide to plink a bit.  Plus I have a friend who offered up some rare ammo she no longer needs and I can't find.  She is getting along in years and no longer shoots the larger calibers and sticks to the rimfire, so I offered to make her a plinking pouch as well.  Mine will likely have a belt loop. Her's will have d-rings to allow over the shoulder carry on a lanyard.

I started playing with the design, and rejected the first few, then realized I wanted an oval side panel with a notch, so the flap coming over the top for closure would lay FLAT on the lower enclosure.  I played around with sizes and settled on this one.

 

 

It should give enough depth that rounds won't fall out when you open the pouch to access the ammo, but not too deep to limit access.  Should also be wide enough to allow about two boxes of 22 LR or a box of 22 Mag.  

[Brokenolmarine]

Satisfied, I transferred the design to a thicker leather stock and cut out a sample, then tested the sample with a piece of leather I'd use for the main panel.  This worked out pretty well.

 

The testing of the application gave me the length of the panel I need, and I'll end up with 10-3/4 to 11.  Width?  About 3-1/2 to 4"  4" for a lanyard rig and 3-1/2 for a belt worn pouch.

 

 

Once the carving and tooling is completed, and I am about to start sewing, I'll trim the notch area on the side panels for a flush fit BEFORE marking and applying the holes for stitching.

Until then, I won't touch the width of the gap, as I might cut another panel if errors are made and it could be thicker.  (Sigh.)  Been there done that.

[Brokenolmarine]

My friend would like Oak and Acorn as the pattern.  Been a while since I did that carving and tooling so I started practicing.  Here is practice pattern number three.  I need to watch some videos and hone my technque.  I can see the areas where I need lots of work.  My pear shading needs a lot of attention... and the swivel knife could be much smoother.

 

I went ahead and oiled and waxed the practice piece, for the practice.  The friend liked it.    What does she know.  

 

I'll get back at it and try and get the carving and tooling done.  I'll probably do a basketweave on my pouch, with maybe a cowskull in the center.  I can handle that.

[Brokenolmarine]

worked a bit this morning, the tooling is done on the flap and front panel areas and the border is tooled.  Of course, until I apply finish and sew them in place, I will always see things and touch up.

I will start on the D-ring assemblies which will be sewn in before the main project is assembled.

 

The color will even out when the leather dries, of course.  Nothing has been applied at this point but water for tooling. 

[Brokenolmarine]

I made the D-Ring straps, accenting with the Barbed Wire stamp.  Appropriate for a pouch for a Single Action Revolver Fan I think.  Go Cowgirl. 

I burnished all four edges on both straps.

 

I measured and marked the back side, then painted on the Contact Cement, and after it was tacky, carefully slipped on the D-rings carefully avoiding Contact with the Cement. 

I folded over the strap and carefully, carefully matched up the end to the guideline marked on the backside to trap the D-Ring.  I clamped them and set them aside to cure.  I'll sew them tomorrow.

Next step is to decide where to attach them.  Upper edge of the back of the pouch, or on either side on the side panels.  Decisions, decisions.

 

I will also touch up the tooling where the barbed wire seems lighter.  Lessons learned.  Solid Strikes on EVERY strike.

Duh.   

[jrdunn]

I like where your pattern is going.  Somewhere I read (on here I think) that beveling around the barbed wire tooling really improves it.  I haven't used them, so I don't know.  It looked better in the pictures.

JM2C

[rleather]

Thanks for taking the time it takes to go thru your process and sharing with us. The actual assembly of a project is the procrastination point for me. 

I don't know why, but it intimidates me on projects I have never done. You would think after being in and out of the craft for 50 years I would be over it, but no. 

Looking forward to seeing the next installment

[Brokenolmarine]

I haven't tried beveling around the barbed wire but when I have some practice time I'll give it a shot, trying various bevels.  Good tip.  I went out this morning to figure out where to attach the d ring assemblies, and found that folding and gluing had faded a couple of the "barbs" right over the d-rings.  Hmmm?  Then I marked the holes to sew down the fold and when I drilled them thru the bit wandered because someone didn't mark the holes deep enough.

 

The d-ring straps are a minor feature in the project and would be unlikely to be seen or noticed by any casual observer of the project while it hangs on the hip of the user.  Should be "Good Enough" but this was to be a gift. Not good enough for a gift.  I took a razor and sliced down the center of the two folds, pulling the brass D-rings.  We will redo the straps, pics to follow.

 

Good enough isn't good enough.

[Brokenolmarine]

I went out this morning and cut new D-ring straps with the strap cutter.

 

After I had the 9 x 7/8 inch piece, I cut it in half to give me the two 4/1/2 inch strap pieces.  I cut a reference line down the middle using the  compass.

 

Carefully, I followed the line and stamped each barbed wire set with a firm solid strike.  Each following strike was perfectly aligned, then a firm solid strike.  Speed was NOT a consideration.  When that was done I set the straps aside to dry so I could check them and oiled the main panel.  Note the two clear areas, this is where the straps will get glued prior to sewing them down.

 

You can see the stamped / tooled straps drying in the background.

[Brokenolmarine]

I oiled the straps and burnished the edges, preparing to build the D-Ring straps.

 

While the oil dried, I worked on the main panel, antiquing and applying Mink Oil to keep the leather supple.

 

The side pieces and D-rings got attention, I had glued and clamped the straps and they were ready to be sewn.  I textured the side panels.

 

[Brokenolmarine]

I antiqued the straps, and oiled the side panels.  Tomorrow, I will antique the side panels and while they cure I'll sew the straps on the main panel in the space alloted.  I will  prepare to begin assembly.  This means marking and prepping the holes for Box stitching the main panel to the side panel.  Pucker factor will be high.   We might have a finished project tomorrow. 

 

[PastorBob]

i love your detailed instructions and your willingness to start over if necessary, to make sure that such a gift is worthy of the recipient.  Can't wait to see the finished project.  I have not tried the box stitch yet.  I will have to get my scraps out and practice.

[AzShooter]

You are doing a wonderful job.  I'm sure your friend is going to love it.

[Brokenolmarine]

PB,

When you try the Box Stitch, the top flat thru line of stitches needs to be centered based on a measured width of the side panel.

The angled holes in the side panel need to come thru in the center of that upper contact edge.  These two points will insure your edges match when you tighten your stitches.

The holes on both need to be carefully aligned.  To help you see the holes when sewing, take a lead pencil, and insert it in the back side of each hole and twist.  It slightly opens the hole, and leaves a graphite bullseye around the hole for a nice needle target.  These tips were hard earned thru practice and much cursing.  The latter is likely inappropriate for Pastor Bob. . Good Luck, learning the stitch opens up new projects... Anything built around a box.  I.e.  Tissue box cover.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Brokenolmarine

[PastorBob]

4 hours ago, Brokenolmarine said:

PB,

When you try the Box Stitch, the top flat thru line of stitches needs to be centered based on a measured width of the side panel.

The angled holes in the side panel need to come thru in the center of that upper contact edge.  These two points will insure your edges match when you tighten your stitches.

The holes on both need to be carefully aligned.  To help you see the holes when sewing, take a lead pencil, and insert it in the back side of each hole and twist.  It slightly opens the hole, and leaves a graphite bullseye around the hole for a nice needle target.  These tips were hard earned thru practice and much cursing.  The latter is likely inappropriate for Pastor Bob. . Good Luck, learning the stitch opens up new projects... Anything built around a box.  I.e.  Tissue box cover.

I will give that a try.  Thanks for the tips!!!!

[Brokenolmarine]

Began this morning by prepping the main panel and the straps for glue up by scratching the surface with the sharp tips of the beveler.  I know they make a tool for doing it, but it's like $30.  This works.  This insures good adhesion of the contact cement.

 

Next, VERY carefully paint the prepped areas with the contact cement.  A drip of cement sucks.  Finishes don't penetrate the drip, nor do they cover it well.  I learned this the hard way.  

 

After the cement is tacky, CAREFULLY place the straps in the areas defined for them.  FACING the right direction.  Placing them upside down would be VERY bad.  Not that I would ever do this... 

  This might ruin the project unless you could pry the strap off and get another one on in it's place that covered your error somehow by a thin stroke of luck.  

 

[Brokenolmarine]

While the straps are setting, I worked on the side panels.  Oiled them, burnished the short section of the side panel that WOULDN'T be stitched, and then antiqued it.  We are just about ready to start stitching, beginning with stitching the straps down to the main panel.  Everything is good.

 

Ready in the wings is a 2nd Pouch Kit.  I'll start on it when this one is done.  I have to decide which way to go.  Make another similar kit to this one and let my friend decide which she likes better?  Go with Basket Weave and still let her decide?  Meh, whatever.  We'll be good with the leftovers, Miss T likes both.

 

[Brokenolmarine]

I pulled out the big gun, MY Cowboy 3200.  I don't have much time at the controls of this guy, so I had a high pucker factor here.  Slow and Steady were the watch words.

 

I was tense thru the whole evolution, but I was happy with the outcome. When it was done, I painted the back side of the stitching with a thin coat of contact cement to protect the stitches from the future pouch content and to insure they stay anchored.

 

Tomorrow morning I will set the bottom snap, then began the process of box stitching the project together.  The top snap  on the flap will be the very last item on the agenda other than waxing.

[PastorBob]

coming along nicely!

[Brokenolmarine]

First step this morning was to carefully measure and mark, then punch a hole for the bottom snap for the pouch.  Once that was done, I seated the snap.  I didn't want to forget after the holes were created for sewing and have to try and seat a snap inside the pouch once it was all put together.  It's NOT easy.  Don't ask me how I know. 

 

Time to mark and create the holes for box stitching on the main panel.  Using the pricking forks, I laid them out and normally I'd take the panel to the drill press, but sometimes it gets carried away and this close to the edge with the bit turning so fast can tear out.  Too much time invested to take the chance, so hand work.  No awl small enough.  Need a tool, you can make a tool.  Seen it often, so I ... made a tool.

I used the tool to create all the holes I needed.  Then, as I did on a previous project, I used a freshly sharpened pencil on the back side to slightly open the back side of the hole, then twisted the pencil to create a graphite bullseye to make the hole easier to find when I start sewing the piece together.  You can easily see the difference in the next pic between the ones that are treated and the ones waiting their turn.

[Brokenolmarine]

Slow and steady again, the only way to fly.  I worked my way around the panel and got all the holes done.  I took a break to rest the aching hands.  The main panel is ready.  After lunch and a few episodes of Big Bang Theory, we just got the box set, I'll come back out and work my way around the side panels.  THOSE holes suck.  You have to match up the spacing to the main panel, then use the awl to create the holes. They must come thru the edge in the center.    Get the angle wrong and you tear out the upper edge.  

 

Anywho, we are ready on this panel.

 

[Brokenolmarine]

Back out to begin the process of prepping the side panel.  Attention Pastor Bob.  

The first step here is to Align and mark the holes from the Main panel.  I marked the first hole, then created it using the awl.  I then pushed a leather needle thru the matched pair to anchor the main panel to the side panel to insure they stayed aligned and marked the first half dozen.  I removed the main panel and formed the first marked half dozen holes.  I reset the main panel and put a needle thru the first pair and the last matched pair and marked another half dozen.  Repeated the process until all the holes were marked and created.

For Pastor Bob, here is the process.... 

First, insert the awl straight down and push and twist to create a reference hole about 1/4 distance into the leather.  Then push the awl toward the outside edge at an angle that will result in the tip exiting out in the center of the edge.

 

Next, reverse the awl and come back thru the hole from the edge, up into the original hole until you clearly see the tip, and twist.  I put my fingertip on top of the leather to prevent tearout.  DON'T get aggressive at any point during this entire process.

 

 

 

[Brokenolmarine]

Once the hole is fully formed, use the pencil trick, inserting the pencil from the edge side and twist.  You are rounding the hole and leaving the target bullseye for sewing.

 

Working your way around, you will eventually end up with the finished product.

 

I have found that this process takes at least two to three times longer than the main panel which is just a straight hole thru the leather.  I would imagine with a lot of practice you can speed it up.  With my challenges, I know when to stop, so I took a break again after the one side was completed.  Working tired or in pain is a way to ruin a piece of a project and set yourself back.  I learned the hard way.  Most of the mistakes I make are caused by fatigue or forgetting a step.  (Like not applying a sealant before antiquing.)  

I'll prep the other side in the next session, then we can SEW!

 

[dikman]

Here's something you might find interesting, the patterns for an 1841 Army ammo pouch. It's very similar to what your making. I made one but haven't got a photo of it (no carving or stamping, just plain as per the originals).

 

Ammo box.pdf

Edited July 27, 2022 by dikman

[dikman]

I forgot the instructions.

 

Ammo box instr..pdf