Members Sheilajeanne Posted December 30, 2022 Members Report Posted December 30, 2022 I receive a daily notice through Early Bird Books of e-books that are available at a discount price. You can read a certain portion of the book for free to help you decide if you want to buy it. Today's picks included a book on Forgotten Crafts https://www.amazon.com/Book-Forgotten-Crafts-David-ebook/dp/B0072MXMZE/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ZJ7XU463C7TX&keywords=The+Book+of+Forgotten+Crafts&qid=1672425042&sprefix=the+book+of+forgotten+crafts%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-1 The section you can read for free covers both the work of a tannery and a shop that makes bottles and other drinking vessels out of leather. The tannery, J. and F.J. Baker in England, is the only one in Britain which still uses the traditional oak bark tanning method. Because of this, its leather is in very high demand by high-end users, especially saddle and bridle makers. There has been a tannery on this site since Roman times. Happy reading! Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted December 31, 2022 CFM Report Posted December 31, 2022 23 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said: I receive a daily notice through Early Bird Books of e-books that are available at a discount price. You can read a certain portion of the book for free to help you decide if you want to buy it. Today's picks included a book on Forgotten Crafts https://www.amazon.com/Book-Forgotten-Crafts-David-ebook/dp/B0072MXMZE/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ZJ7XU463C7TX&keywords=The+Book+of+Forgotten+Crafts&qid=1672425042&sprefix=the+book+of+forgotten+crafts%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-1 The section you can read for free covers both the work of a tannery and a shop that makes bottles and other drinking vessels out of leather. The tannery, J. and F.J. Baker in England, is the only one in Britain which still uses the traditional oak bark tanning method. Because of this, its leather is in very high demand by high-end users, especially saddle and bridle makers. There has been a tannery on this site since Roman times. Happy reading! what is interesting is that bitumen is used for lining the bottles, cups and such. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Sheilajeanne Posted December 31, 2022 Author Members Report Posted December 31, 2022 Yes, I thought that might interest some people here who make drinking vessels. Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted December 31, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted December 31, 2022 I wonder how they get away with using bitumen in bottles and cups For the last 25 years or so bitumen is only allowed to be used in agriculture by licensed users, eg arborists. Its forbidden for other uses UK 'nanny' state laws Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
Members DwightT Posted December 31, 2022 Members Report Posted December 31, 2022 What I found interesting was that the tannery uses only hides from beef cattle, and not dairy cattle. His explanation that hides from dairy cattle have been stretched out because of calving makes sense, but it's just not something that I ever thought about. I recently found a podcast called "This Job is History" where they talk about jobs that don't exist any more. I haven't listened to it yet, but it seems like it might be similar to this book. I may have to buy the Kindle version of the book just out of curiosity. Thanks for letting us know about it. /dwight Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted December 31, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted December 31, 2022 Oddly, despite it being Kindle and Amazon, that book is not available to me. I can't use kindle anyways, my eBook is a Kobo, not compatible Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
Members Klara Posted January 1, 2023 Members Report Posted January 1, 2023 You can get a free Kindle App for PC (Windows) or Android devices. Well worth it in my opinion because I prefer reading in the Kindle App to looking at the sample on the web site ("Look Inside" is still an option for you if you don't want to install Kindle). Secondly, the book is available to me in France, but via Amazon.fr Have you tried Amazon.co.uk? You can simply click on the link and change the country identifier. I just got my sample and checked that the leather bottle making is still included... Thirdly, I don't particularly like people talking about forgotten or disappeared crafts. Generally people think so only because they don't know the subject (I've heard of somebody claiming there's no need for farriers anymore) - and if a craft was forgotten or had disappeared, you couldn't make a book about the craftsmen... Quote
Members Sheilajeanne Posted January 1, 2023 Author Members Report Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) Fred, sometimes the sale price is limited to a specific seller. This particular book would cost me $13.77 because I'm in Canada, and the sale price is only available to U.S. residents. They occasionally do have books that are available for Kobo users only, and I've installed the Kobo app on my tablet so I can read those books too. I love reading, and this service has turned me into an e-book junkie! After seeing how much money I'd spent in one month, I have learned to restrain myself, though have seriously thought of getting an Amazon Kindle subscription for $9.99 a month! One drawback to the book (from reading the reviews) is it's not a 'how to' book, but mostly just focuses on interviewing the people who still do these crafts. However, some of the interviews do give valuable information on how the crafts are done - look at the diagrams for the wheelwright. The leather bottle interview also gives some valuable information about how this particular craftsperson makes the bottles. Re: bitumen - it definitely contains carcinogenic chemicals: https://www.anses.fr/en/content/exposure-bitumen Definitely would not want to drink out of bottles lined with it! Dwight, I really can't understand why they would only use beef cattle for the hides. Beef cows have to produce just as many babies as milk cows, and when they can no longer get pregnant, they go to slaughter. That makes no sense to me. Males of both types of cattle are castrated at a young age, and eventually slaughtered for meat. The only difference I can think of is dairy cattle are generally leaner than beef cattle, so would be less likely to have fat wrinkles in the hides. And that's and advantage rather than a disadvantage! Edited January 1, 2023 by Sheilajeanne Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted January 1, 2023 CFM Report Posted January 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said: Dwight, I really can't understand why they would only use beef cattle for the hides. Beef cows have to produce just as many babies as milk cows, and when they can no longer get pregnant, they go to slaughter. That makes no sense to me. Males of both types of cattle are castrated at a young age, and eventually slaughtered for meat. The only difference I can think of is dairy cattle are generally leaner than beef cattle, so would be less likely to have fat wrinkles in the hides. And that's and advantage rather than a disadvantage! Beef cattle are sold at a much younger age usually two/three year olds. they breed them once usually around puberty. dairy cattle live for years up to 15 and have multiple calves thats how they stay producing milk. the book is correct. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Sheilajeanne Posted January 1, 2023 Author Members Report Posted January 1, 2023 Chuck, for many years there were two dairy farmers in my family. Of course they keep the cows for breeding and milking, but they are only 50% of the herd. The males are treated pretty much exactly the way male beef cows are treated: castrated at a young age, fattened up and sold for slaughter when they reach their full growth. Beef farmers generally keep the females to increase the size of their herd. So, no, I don't really see the difference. The hide of an old beef cow is going to be just as stretched as the hide of an old Holstein dairy cow. Quote
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