Table Top Questions for Cylinder Arm Machines

[Patrick1]

Well if it's any comfort, the shipping rate to Australia is cheaper than me sending something to Canada. I don't know what the rates are for the table yet but it weighs 2 lbs. or .907 kilos. @Wizcrafts would need more detail on the Adler 30-7 patcher. Like pictures of what the current plate is off the machine. One other thing on using aluminum, all the ones I ship will have an epoxy clear coat. Will probably offer some in Cerakote but that will cost more. The Cerakote is awesome, better than anodize in my opinion. Redid all my rifles in Cerakote, doesn't scratch as easily. Table works with the stock plate and feed dog also.

[DieselTech]

6 hours ago, Patrick1 said:

Well if it's any comfort, the shipping rate to Australia is cheaper than me sending something to Canada. I don't know what the rates are for the table yet but it weighs 2 lbs. or .907 kilos. @Wizcrafts would need more detail on the Adler 30-7 patcher. Like pictures of what the current plate is off the machine. One other thing on using aluminum, all the ones I ship will have an epoxy clear coat. Will probably offer some in Cerakote but that will cost more. The Cerakote is awesome, better than anodize in my opinion. Redid all my rifles in Cerakote, doesn't scratch as easily. Table works with the stock plate and feed dog also.

I will 2nd the Cerakote. Tuff sh@@!! wears like steel if applied right. I use it on firearms. 

Dang even more intrigued on purchasing a table top. 

[dikman]

That's bizarre, Patrick, as Canada is your next-door neighbour!! 

Brian, thanks, it never occurred to me to check where I bought the machine from. Looks like it should do the job and at $98 shipped it's not worth stuffing around.

[kgg]

12 hours ago, dikman said:

That's bizarre, Patrick, as Canada is your next-door neighbour!! 

Nah, once stuff hits that magic line the shipping goes to hell, duty, taxes, brokerage fees and whatever else they can think of. A lot of us that live close to border have a US address and drive across to pick items up that way we only usually have to pay at most the taxes.

Example: If I was to buy a new Consew 206RB-5.

Option 1: Buy from a US vendor at retail for about $1500 US and ship to my US address the cost would be $1500 plus say $250 USD or about $2400 CAD then add $312 in Taxes to drive it across the border for a total of about $2700 CAD.

Option 2: Have the Ontario Consew distributor bring one in and the price goes to $3600 CAD (tax in) plus either drive 4 hours each way or pay another $300 for shipping for a total of $3900 CAD.

Hum which option???

kgg

[toxo]

This is the table top I ordered with my LS 341. It's 48cm long and 39cm wide and 25.3cm from the front to the start of the cutout. The perspex is 8mm and the metal bit is 3mm. The two thumbscrews do a good job of holding it in place and there's a hole at the right hand side of the machine which is handy to drop in any old screw to help keep it in place although I have to say, before I put the screw in the T/T only moved a maximum of around 2mm. I like it very much. It's quite robust enough and although I've leant on a couple of times I wouldn't like to stand on it.

[kgg]

My brief summary so far:

1) So far there are number of very nice table tops commercially available.

2) The main drawback from what I see for my needs is i) their inability to handle any of the attachments that are readily available and less expensive for the flatbed machines and ii) most require the use of a drop down edge guide, which I don't like using. 

3) Most like the larger size table tops.

kgg

[Patrick1]

Here's a larger table. 14.75 X 8.00 X .375 thick with about 8.875 from the edge of the table to the needle. Still solid as a rock. Looking at offering both tables in Storm Trooper white Cerakote. $125.00, coated. Doesn't break the bank for most folks. 

[DieselTech]

2 minutes ago, Patrick1 said:

Here's a larger table. 14.75 X 8.00 X .375 thick with about 8.875 from the edge of the table to the needle. Still solid as a rock. Looking at offering both tables in Storm Trooper white Cerakote. $125.00, coated. Doesn't break the bank for most folks. 

Nice! Save me a white one! Lmao I have spent too much money lately & strapped for cash. So it will be a few months before I recoup. 

Thanks. Nice work/fabrication!

[AlZilla]

@Patrick1, good thinking, extending it to the left. I have one that extends to the pillar - definitely see the increased versatility with this design.

[RockyAussie]

11 hours ago, Patrick1 said:

Here's a larger table. 14.75 X 8.00 X .375 thick with about 8.875 from the edge of the table to the needle. Still solid as a rock. Looking at offering both tables in Storm Trooper white Cerakote. $125.00, coated. Doesn't break the bank for most folks

Nice looking job there Patrick.

[sportycliff]

On 10/21/2024 at 11:22 AM, Patrick1 said:

Here's a larger table. 14.75 X 8.00 X .375 thick with about 8.875 from the edge of the table to the needle. Still solid as a rock. Looking at offering both tables in Storm Trooper white Cerakote. $125.00, coated. Doesn't break the bank for most folks. 

Can't wait until this is available!!

I'm in!

[Patrick1]

Will have the same tables available for the Durkopp Adler 205-370 as shown here. Sure is a beautiful machine.

[Constabulary]

Different machine but basically the same thing. Some years ago I made a flat bed attachment for my Singer 45D91 from a IKEA bamboo cutting board.

Super low cost (less than 20€ / $22) very sturdy and it has IMO it has a nice look.

To be fair the cutting board idea back then came from LW member UWE. He made them way more professional than I but I was able to make it with the tools I have.

https://leatherworker.net/forum/topic/72789-singer-45d91-restoration/?tab=comments#comment-552472

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/aptitlig-cutting-board-bamboo-80233430/

This is what UWE did

https://leatherworker.net/forum/topic/65589-flatbed-table-attachment-for-pfaff-335/

I also made one from screen printing plate for my Singer 108w20 but to be honest I have never used it.

That one was cheap also...

 

Edited October 27 by Constabulary

[Constabulary]

BTW - I cut some threads for attaching some edge guides and I also have an oil hole in it.

[shoepatcher]

Very Nice C!!

glenn

[1hp]

made one out of 304 stainless. recommend buying one from Patrick1. this was a total PITA.

[1hp]

the underside. had to mill the standoffs to get the right height & levelness.

Edited November 3 by 1hp
more info

[AlZilla]

I have an aluminum table and live in a colder climate. That metal table can be pretty uncomfortable.

[Patrick1]

@1hp You did real a nice job. The flat plate has a nice blend to it.

[sportycliff]

Well I received my large table and swing down guide adapters for my CB4500 from @Patrick1.

Damn, I'm impressed! The fit and finish of the table is perfect. I'm actually shocked that the tolerances were so good considering it's a Chinese made casting that it fits. Call that a win for Patrick and the Chinese factory. It' great with the factory round needle plate and one of Patrick's own flat narrow needle plate. (a previous purchase) The swing down guide adapters and the recommended Chinese guide are also flawless. This will be a perfect "2nd" heavy stitcher, now I have a flatbed to go with the cylinder arm. Thanks Patrick!

 

 

[Uwe]

I got an aluminum table for my Juki LS-341 from RecentRelics on Etsy. It’s a very nice table and with some upgrade modifications, it’s rock solid and takes seconds to install or remove with a single thumb screw.

I was not a fan of the 3D-printed bits that came with the table attachment, so I replaced the one for the thumb screw with a small aluminum plate, and the arm wedges with a custom-molded J.B. Weld SteelStik saddle. The round magnetic tray insert for needles or clips can be found at most hardware stores. 

J.B. Weld is a steel reinforced epoxy putty for making repairs to metal parts. It’s a miracle in stick form. You tear off a part of the stick and knead it to activate it. You can file, drill, cut just like metal when it’s hardened. I used half a stick on either side of the arm.

Here’s how the table attachment arrived, including the 3D printed parts (You can’t see the arm wedges on the underside of the table.)

 

Here are few pics of my modified table attachment: 

 

 

This is the J.B. Weld SteelStik saddle. I wrapped the arm with kitchen plastic cling wrap, then in stalled the table and pressed half a stick of J.B. Weld in the gap on either side of the arm. It sticks really well to the aluminum table (but not the plastic wrap) and it conforms perfectly to the arm, paint/casting dimples and all. I filed some edges down a bit by hand.

Edited 23 hours ago by Uwe