AlZilla Posted November 22, 2024 Report Posted November 22, 2024 (edited) I watched a High-tex video today of basically a longarm quilter, making upholstery panels. It looked to me like they were feeding the bottom thread from a cone at the back of the machine. It got me wondering if other industrial machines fed the bottom thread that way. I looked around and don't see any evidence of it. I could see it being an advantage, not having to mess around with winding bobbins, even on a domestic machine. Look towards the back of the machine at the 2 thread cones. The bottom thread on the workpiece is blue. "EDIT: So, obviously, this machine is using a standard bobbin setup. The question still remains, why couldn't the hook be fed from a full size spool located away from the bobbin/hook area?" Edited November 23, 2024 by Northmount Edit added at AlZilla's request Quote “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire “Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms.” - Aristotle
Members Constabulary Posted November 22, 2024 Members Report Posted November 22, 2024 (edited) maybe it is a chain stitch machine then it does not need a bottom thread. EDIT: No - has shuttle hook so it has a bobbin. http://www.hightex-solution.com/a/Products/machine/Programmable_sewing_m/2021/0218/208.html Quote Look towards the back of the machine at the 2 thread cones. The bottom thread on the workpiece is blue. they wound the bobbin from the blue spool. See the bobbin winder with blue threaded bobbin on the top of the machine? Using 2 spools is quite common in the sewing industries. One for top thread (you can leave machine threaded) and wind the bobbin from the 2nd spool. Edited November 22, 2024 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
AlZilla Posted November 22, 2024 Author Report Posted November 22, 2024 @Constabulary yep, I do see the bobbin winder on top now. But, still ... It seems like feeding the bottom thread from a full spool would make more sense than winding and changing bobbins. Especially in a production environment. Quote “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire “Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms.” - Aristotle
Members Constabulary Posted November 23, 2024 Members Report Posted November 23, 2024 I doubt that it is technically possible. if it was don´t you think someone alreday had invented something in the last 200 years. Well I´m not a technician but in my nut shell I cannot figure how it could work. When you look at min 3:18 (approx) you will see the hook and bobbin case. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
AlZilla Posted November 23, 2024 Author Report Posted November 23, 2024 I just don't know why the bobbin tension device would care where the bobbin thread itself came from - a little bobbin spool right next to it, or snaking in from a large cone a foot away, at the back of the machine. Quote “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire “Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms.” - Aristotle
Northmount Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 17 minutes ago, AlZilla said: I just don't know why the bobbin tension device would care where the bobbin thread itself came from - a little bobbin spool right next to it, or snaking in from a large cone a foot away, at the back of the machine. Just the same as the top thread has to be pulled around the bobbin, it would have to be pulled around the spool. Huge loop and space required. How long/high would the take-up lever have to be to pull that loop back up snug? Quote
AlZilla Posted November 23, 2024 Author Report Posted November 23, 2024 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Northmount said: Just the same as the top thread has to be pulled around the bobbin, it would have to be pulled around the spool. Huge loop and space required. How long/high would the take-up lever have to be to pull that loop back up snug? Isn't the loop all top thread, though? As far as I can tell, the bobbin thread just pays out as needed, no back and forth (or up and down), like the top thread. "EDIT: So, obviously, this machine is using a standard bobbin setup. The question still remains, why couldn't the hook be fed from a full size spool located away from the bobbin/hook area?" Edited November 23, 2024 by Wizcrafts AlZilla requested that I add this edit to his last post. Quote “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire “Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms.” - Aristotle
Northmount Posted November 23, 2024 Report Posted November 23, 2024 4 minutes ago, AlZilla said: Isn't the loop all top thread, though? As far as I can tell, the bobbin thread just pays out as needed, no back and forth (or up and down), like the top thread. Yes it is all top thread. Draw it out on a piece of paper showing how it would have to go around a 2# spool and be pulled back up. Quote
AlZilla Posted November 23, 2024 Author Report Posted November 23, 2024 5 minutes ago, Northmount said: Yes it is all top thread. Draw it out on a piece of paper showing how it would have to go around a 2# spool and be pulled back up. OK, I'm seeing the flaw in my thinking. It needs to get around the whole spool. Well, you guys saved me a trip to the patent office, anyway ... : Quote “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire “Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms.” - Aristotle
Contributing Member fredk Posted November 23, 2024 Contributing Member Report Posted November 23, 2024 If I remember correctly, the very earliest sewing machines used two large spools of thread. The top thread was pulled through the material by the needle and as the needle came up again a loop was made in the thread on the underside of the material. A shuttle, like the shuttle a weaver uses but in miniature, went though the loop pulling the second thread through. At the time this was efficient but prone to timing failures. As the invention of sewing machines progressed the bobbin as we know it was invented and was more efficient, with fewer timing failures. All the inventors adopted the cylindrical bobbin and its circular shuttle. Some fitted it vertical and some had it horizontal and some even had it at an angle, but its the same workings Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
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