Members analogphotographer Posted March 27, 2009 Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) Is there anything else she wants you to do or stop doing.If so make a trade,tell her you want to do leather work and in return you will give up some other thing. Also maybe some people here would be willing to sell you some scraps and on occasion put in an extra piece for you here in there. Hey look at me top of page 2. Edited March 27, 2009 by analogphotographer
Contributing Member TwinOaks Posted March 27, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted March 27, 2009 Natural causes, huh? Cast bullets are made from lead....that's natural. Wooden arrows are natural. I've alway kinda figured that being hungry was natural.. See where this is going? If you need an 'all natural' bow, I'm pretty sure I can whip up something that uses twisted/braided plant fibers as a string and real spotted owl or red hawk feathers for the fletching. Mike DeLoach Esse Quam Videri (Be rather than Seem) "Don't learn the tricks of the trade.....Learn the trade." "Teach what you know......Learn what you don't." LEATHER ARTISAN'S DIGITAL GUILD on Facebook.
Members NoahL Posted March 27, 2009 Author Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 Well, all I can really do at this point in the thread is sigh. I am a newbie to the world of leatherworking, and newer still to this forum, but I came here with an honest question and in return I am getting ridicule, criticism, and advice to break up with my girlfriend. I certainly did not ask this question to spark rants about how stupid people think vegans, vegetarians, and PETA may be, but that's all that I really see in two pages of posts. A few of you did sincerely try to answer my question, and I truly appreciate your help. I can say that I will continue to come to this site to see the beautiful craftsmanship, and to read up on leatherworking techniques and processes, but I can't say that this experience makes me all that willing to participate here. Apparently if I do ask any questions, I need to limit them so as to not include any background information, or any explanation as to why I am asking. I know that this is the Internet, and it can be a rough place--and judging by what I have seen, for this post alone I will be flamed, as it must be further evidence that I need to "grow a sack"--but I did honestly expect more from a forum of craftsmen and women. Thank you again, to those of you who did try to help. Website: Wasteland Leatherwork Collaboration Projects: The Wasteland Crow Project
Contributing Member UKRay Posted March 27, 2009 Contributing Member Report Posted March 27, 2009 Noah, I think it may be time to consider silversmithing as a hobby... "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps" Ray Hatley www.barefootleather.co.uk
Members badger Posted March 27, 2009 Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 Can you guys hear yourselves? Whatever happened to 'live and let live'? I can't believe some of the comments on this thread. I think Noah has been treated very rudely by some of the members here. I can't believe how harsh and judgemental some of you can be. Frankly it's open abuse of Noah and his partner. Who are you to judge relationships and to comment on someone's personal beliefs? I doubt you'd take the same abuse about yours quietly. Kevin Johnson, Steve Mason and TKleather1.... You owe Noah and his partner an apology. I joined this board because of the spirit of friendship and brother/sisterhood and the spirit of sharing I saw here. This is very disappointing. I'm surprised and shocked by the outpouring of venom here. An apology is in order. Noah, I'm very sorry to read the crap that's been posted about you and your partner Please, please don't assume we're all like this. Please PM me, I may be able to help. Cheers, Karl
Members steve mason Posted March 27, 2009 Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) Can you guys hear yourselves? Whatever happened to 'live and let live'? I can't believe some of the comments on this thread. I think Noah has been treated very rudely by some of the members here. I can't believe how harsh and judgemental some of you can be. Frankly it's open abuse of Noah and his partner. Who are you to judge relationships and to comment on someone's personal beliefs? I doubt you'd take the same abuse about yours quietly. Kevin Johnson, Steve Mason and TKleather1.... You owe Noah and his partner an apology. I joined this board because of the spirit of friendship and brother/sisterhood and the spirit of sharing I saw here. This is very disappointing. I'm surprised and shocked by the outpouring of venom here. An apology is in order. Karl Karl, my post was in reply to a quote from Johanna about PETA, not from something that Noah said. "I could go on for hours with stories of PETA" Johanna PS: I changed my mind, I don't want to use the PETA founders hide for an inliad seat on my saddle, I want my hide to be tanned so I can be used as a padded seat on a barrel racers saddle so that I can be between the two things I like best, good lookin wimmin and good horse flesh!!! Edited March 27, 2009 by steve mason check out www.stevemasonsaddles.com check out my saddle blog
Members oldtimer Posted March 27, 2009 Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 Sorry, I misread another topic: vegan-retan latigo ! I apologise ! / Knut "The gun fight at the O.K. corral was actually started by two saddlemakers sitting around a bottle of whiskey talking about saddle fitting"...
Members charley Posted March 27, 2009 Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 Can you guys hear yourselves? Whatever happened to 'live and let live'? I can't believe some of the comments on this thread. I think Noah has been treated very rudely by some of the members here. I can't believe how harsh and judgemental some of you can be. Frankly it's open abuse of Noah and his partner. Who are you to judge relationships and to comment on someone's personal beliefs? I doubt you'd take the same abuse about yours quietly. Kevin Johnson, Steve Mason and TKleather1.... You owe Noah and his partner an apology. I joined this board because of the spirit of friendship and brother/sisterhood and the spirit of sharing I saw here. This is very disappointing. I'm surprised and shocked by the outpouring of venom here. An apology is in order. Noah, I'm very sorry to read the crap that's been posted about you and your partner Please, please don't assume we're all like this. Please PM me, I may be able to help. Cheers, Karl I'm going to have to "second" Badger on this one. I think Noah asked an honest question, and the thread kind of shifted into a non-constructive direction. I like stereotypical humor, irreverance, and non-PC language. However, I think we can focus on the topic itself (and less so on the person that asked an honest question). Shifting directions, I've long thought about "tooling" synthetic materials. Plastics, waxes, and other assorted polymers come to mind. (Big topic, I should probably start it on another thread.) HOWEVER, the "natural" product of leather is a fantastic material that is really hard to duplicate (multi-layered, highly differentiated cells that lattice into a fibrous network that provides great strength and resistance to wear). That's REALLY hard to duplicate in an artificial way. There is MUCH work on synthetic skin growth (for example, for commercial production and use by burn victims), where real skin is "grown" on a substrate (not even on an animal). In fact, for much of this, it starts with a "donor" sample from the individual (so you're actually growing sheets of YOU to be transplanted back onto YOU). Big topic, but in summary, probably none of these options are viable right now for consideration in leatherwork. There are large advances being made in synthetic materials by materials science (for example, driven by new fields emerging from nano-tech), but probably synthetic leather is NOT something we can expect in the next few years (probably more than a decade away). On the bright side, people ARE working on this, and as a hobbyist I'm experimenting with tooling non-leather materials. I don't have any suggestions for the short-term, though. From a practical standpoint, yes, leather is a "waste" product from the meat industry, and we all generally like to recycle or be more efficient when we can. --charley
Members AgronZoti Posted March 27, 2009 Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 Guys be nice… The only thing you can try to find is animals that have to be put down because there are to many of them… you can reason that these animals are going to get killed no matter what and the skins might as well go to a good cause. And the only animals that I can think of are kangaroos from reservations in Australia. You can find ethical and government approved kangaroo hides. Plus the money goes to the reservation so the kangaroos can live natural lives… plus kangaroo is the strongest leather there is but its pricey Animal parks and such stuff were they have to put animals down is your best bet to find hides… and talk to your girlfriend if she is cool with that…
Members rawhide1 Posted March 27, 2009 Members Report Posted March 27, 2009 NoahL Hell I'm sorry!! I went and stood in the corner for 5min. Kevin I don't care who ya are that was funny!!! I'll stand in the corner another 5min. Mike
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